Above Top Secret

From strange lights in the sky to hidden government files, Above Top Secret explores UFO sightings, conspiracy theories, and cover-ups. Each episode uncovers chilling encounters and mysterious truths that challenge what we think we know about what’s really out there.

Here is the source material for the main topic of this week's episode: https://mufon.com/2021/05/14/ufos-over-washington-dc-1952/

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:54

Alright, everybody, welcome back to episode two of Obscurecast. Today we're gonna get into a little bit of some UFO sightings and some stuff. I know we touched on it last episode, but today we want to do a little bit more of a segue into UFOs and and sort of what sort of happened over the last, I don't know, half a century or so. We're gonna go back in time a little bit to look over something that's pretty in-depth as far as you know UFO sightings. And and like I said on the first episode, this is so sort of a no-holds barred podcast. Again, Dan O'Neill's with me. How you doing, sir? I'm doing good, man. How are you? I'm good. Um, so we sort of touched on a lot of, or not necessarily a lot of, but at least one distinct sighting, especially back in the day, and sort of touched on the fact that, you know, at least for my part, the older stuff when uh social media and AI and all that kind of stuff wasn't a thing, they're a little bit more believable. I think we can both sort of agree on that.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

Um to uh it's hard to take it seriously, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um go ahead. Yeah. I was gonna just, you know, the effects now between AI and uh just trolls out there wanting, you know, to fake stuff. I don't know. It just it's sad that we gotta go through that. And I also believe that you also have governments involved, especially the US government, that tries to pump out fake ones as well. So you also gotta watch out for that because they will definitely um the government will do it too. They're just as guilty. So it's hard.

SPEAKER_01 2:39

Well, we're gonna say we're also gonna get into that too, as far as like the stuff they've done to cover up stuff and and that kind of thing. So I I I think the incident, like I said last episode, and so did you, that people are most familiar with is probably Roswell. It was the New Mexico incident where like something, something, quote unquote something or other crash landed. It was supposed to be an alien spacecraft, and we'll touch on the fact that you know it's probably the most notable one that any people any anybody's heard of. Um, but there are a lot of other ones that are really interesting, and we actually sort of came across one uh off podcast and we're sort of reading through it before we went live. And it it's interesting that this was not only a one-time thing, it actually happened over about you know, two weeks or so. Uh there were two different sightings, one was on the 19th through the 20th of July in 1952. So just to preface this, this is all coming from the website and and and sort of organization we touched on in the first episode. It's called MUFON. Um and this website, correct me if I'm wrong, Dano, is basically it's it's an account of not only stuff that the government has covered up, but stuff that has just never surfaced until a couple of years ago. I think you said five years ago or something like that. I I I don't keep up with it as much as you do, but essentially the government came out not to give too much away or to like over-extrapolate everything. But essentially what happened is the government came out and basically said, not necessarily we've been lying, but covering things up, well, essentially lying or omitting certain details of things that have happened over the last, let's say, half a half a century or maybe even close to a century old, um, of stuff that's just been weird and nobody's had an explanation for it, and now everything's coming to light as far as evidence, them blatantly coming out and saying that some of this stuff is true, if not all of it is true. Um even more so going even further and giving more information that was actually available to the public in the actual like public eye. So I know you know a little bit more about this than I do, and I'm I I'm gonna sort of touch on what the incident is as a general oversight. Um and then I'll I'll sort of let you go into sort of the details and like sort of get into the nitty-gritty of what this actually means and and why it's important.

SPEAKER_00 5:03

Um, for sure. And just to let people know, MUFON has been around for I shit, I think the early eighties, maybe even before then, I can look to let everybody know. They've been around for a really long time. Um, but like you said, just recently the United States government has actually come out. And really it was the that Tic Tac video from the early two thousands off the coast of California. That uh when the New York I think it was the New York Times. Don't crucify me if that's wrong, but I believe it was the New York Times that originally uh posted that video and that story. Um because now the government has said that pilots and air traffic control for the military and aviation won't um they have an anonymous reporting, which they're actually encouraged to do.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

An anonymous reporting is wild.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Yeah, so before it was uh you basically were going to throw away your military career as a pilot if you came forward and said anything. Um now they're encouraging it to an extent. So I just want to let everybody know that like Mufon's been around for a while, they've been interviewing people and doing studies. They they basically essentially picked up where Project Blue Book left off, but they're not affiliated with the government, but they have a lot of ex government people that work for them now. Um so it's really it's a good organization. So essentially they've been they've been either discharged or or or whatever whatever the process is to leave the military in any form or fashion with respect to so it's it's ex like military um officials and then also ex like FBI, CIA, um intelligence officials, because I mean there's just a lot between the to Department of Uh you know Defense and then Homeland Security, FBI, CIA.

SPEAKER_01 7:12

Basically anything under the sun that's had any kind of any any kind of hand or finger inside of what's been going on. So um Yeah, and Pentagon officials too. Right. Yeah, I mean like you could it's a who's who of you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 7:26

So essentially it's just regular citizens too, so that's what's cool is that everybody helps out.

SPEAKER_01 7:32

Yeah, they contribute, yeah, exactly. Do they is it a is it a non-profit organization? Like is it all done through okay, that makes a lot more sense then. It's all first hand accounts and done by that that makes more sense.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

Um yeah, and you can actually you can uh you gotta get certified, you gotta actually take a class and a test, but you can become a field investigator. So we're all saying that's actually one of the things on the website.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

And we can we can also just so everybody's aware, and as long as you're cool with this, we can actually put a link to the website within the episode. Um so if you guys want to check out some of this shit yourselves, if you think we're just blowing smoke and a bunch of crazy assholes, I mean we're reading literally from uh uh I mean I don't know a lot about Mufon, but you know a little bit more than I do. It's a pretty reputable from what I've done research on. It's a pretty reputable organization that actually knows what the fuck they're talking about. And it's it's interesting that this story, and we were even talking about it off air, how long of a read it was. I mean, this is a very, very, very, very well documented incident. I mean, there's a who's who of military personnel and and air traffic controllers and pilots and and and you name it, they have a first-hand account of what happened. And what what we'll get into, which I think is interesting, is we we sort of alluded to it off air, is the is the cover-ups and stuff, and we're gonna get into all that stuff because it's kind of interesting how they they think pulling the wool over somebody's eyes is actually doing it justice when in the and when in reality it's actually making it a whole lot worse and a lot more believable because they're they're they're all is like they're so similar.

SPEAKER_00 9:07

It's it's it's comical.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

It's comical.

SPEAKER_00 9:10

Yeah, it really is. Um very comical.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

So but essentially the the one that we're gonna be going over, at least to start with, is uh when was Roswell? Was it you it was 51, right? No, 47. 47, okay, excuse me. Um I believe so. Can check a second. This was if it's 47, this is five years after. Um Roswell was 47. Okay. So 47, so we're talking about five years afterwards, and this actually is an interesting one because it's actually something that took place over Washington, D.C. Um, or the surrounding outskirts of Washington, D.C. Because there's a couple different, there's a couple different um things that happened over the course of this these two weeks. Like I said, it happened basically from the 19th of July all the way up until the 27th was the last like known sighting or known account of what happened over this incident.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

Yeah, and it was basically over the airport, the White House, and then uh like what basically downtown DC?

SPEAKER_01 10:09

Basically, yeah, and there was a lot of stuff that happened near the airport, the airport that's in Washington, D.C. Um so the quick synopsis, it's it's very short, it's a couple sentences. So um essentially the 1952 Washington, D.C. UFO incident, also known as the Washington Flap or the Washington National Airport sightings, was a series of unidentified flying object reports from July 12th to July 29th. So it was actually even longer than that, it was almost three weeks. Um excuse me, 1952 over uh Washington, D.C. Most publicized sighting took place on consecutive weekends, so essentially it happened over three weeks, but the main breadth of what happened happened over a two-week span. So um the events of the 19th and the 20th took place over Washington National Airport on the Potomac River, and then I believe the 26th and 27th, let me scroll down here and just see. Um this actually happened over Washington, D.C. itself. So we're talking basically air traffic controllers, and then the vast majority of what happened to the 26th and the 27th uh was actually uh over Washington, D.C. itself. So I'll I'll let you sort of go and sort of give a little bit more background on what happened, Daniel. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

Uh yeah, so it's important to note that these happened pretty much at like um dusk through like you know three o'clock in the morning. Um so basically what happened is the air traffic controller at the Washington National Airport, which is today Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, um, he spotted objects on his radar. Um, and then they ended up actually seeing these flashing lights. Uh lights were going from everything from red, orange, uh to green, yellow, and back to red. Um and then it was moving very erratically. Um, so you know, like air traffic control towers, they they can see in every direction super far, right? Well, there's things that come up on the radar, these things were showing up on the radar, um, and then some of them were not showing up on the radar, but pilots were seeing them. Um, and by the time they try to like turn around and chase them, uh, they would be gone. So they would just vanish. And then I believe, and again, I'm just this is really short synopsis of it. Um, I believe they were looking for they they were seeing almost like meteor tails, so some of them had tails behind them, some of them didn't.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

So essentially they were they were going so fast that they were breaking like the atmosphere and shit like that.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

It sounds like yeah, the one was traveling at about 7,000 miles per hour, is what they were estimated at.

SPEAKER_01 13:01

Which, if anybody knows, is horrendously fast. Um what's the sound barrier? What's that speed? That's a great question. Uh uh go ahead and give a little bit more synopsis. I'll actually look that up. I'll I'll I'll pop in here in a second.

SPEAKER_00 13:15

Um you wanted the sound or the speed barrier?

SPEAKER_01 13:19

Light, light or sound?

SPEAKER_00 13:20

Like what's the what's the what's the speed it takes to break the sound barrier?

SPEAKER_01 13:27

I guess it's like sound barrier speed. So oh, that's funny. Okay, so the speed of sound often referred to as the sound barrier is approximately 767 miles per hour. And this thing was traveling 7,000. So my math doesn't really math. Um that's crazy. That's crazy. How much just bear with me because I was a keen man I was a key communication major fellow, so so yeah, the math doesn't really math for Blake. Um let's see, 767 times 10. Let's I think that's right. Uh let's see. So if it was going 7,000 and then and the it beat it by about 10 times the speed of sound. So yeah, 767 times 10 is about 767. Or 77670.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

And by the way, it's very important uh to make this observation. These are silent, they make no sound.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Right. So like you would think, because like obviously there's what's you know, uh people that don't know when you break the sound per barrier, it's what's called a sonic boom. It it's you can't you can't mimic it. It it's a it's a sound that literally sounds like somebody shooting a cannon, but like times like 50,000. Like it the fucker's loud. Like it's not something that's just gonna happen, you'd be like, oh yeah, I broke the sound, but you're gonna know it happened. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, absolutely. And pilots, let alone people that fly like sonic jets and stuff like that, the F-16s and shit like that, they know what that sounds like and what speed they have to be at to do that. Imagine you flying at let's just say you're breaking the sound barrier at 767, right? Yep. Imagine something going ten times that. It's gonna look like it just fucking evaporates out of thin air, like it's just gonna fucking disappear.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

Oh yeah, it's gonna look like it teleported from one spot to another. There's you know, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

And that's the other thing, too, is with the air traffic controller stuff with the with the national airport and and the stuff that you were just alluding to. Imagine seeing that on a radar. Like, literally, as you're looking at it, the fucker just vanishes, it's gone.

SPEAKER_00 15:58

Poof. Yeah. Yep. And then there was another there was a pilot that was actually he was waiting for takeoff um on the tarmac, and they told him that there was a unknown object on the radar that was in the airspace. Um that was at Andrews Air Force Base. I'll read this paragraph. This is kind of interesting. At Andrews Air Force Base, the control tower personnel were tracking on radar what some thought to be unknown objects, but others suspected and in one instance were able to prove were simply stars and meteors. However, Staff Sergeant Charles Davenport observed an orange-red light to the south. The light would appear to stand still, then make an abrupt change in direction and altitude. This happened several times. At one point, both radar centers at National Airport and the radar at Andrews Air Force Base were tracking an object hovering over a radio beacon. The object vanished in all three radar centers at the same time. Uh at 3 a.m. shortly before two jet fighters from Newcastle Air Force Base in Delaware arrived. Over Washington, all the objects vanished from the radar at National Airport. However, when the jets ran low on fuel and left, the objects returned, which convinced Barnes that the UFOs were monitoring radio air traffic and behaving accordingly. The objects were last detected by radar at 5 30 a.m. around sunrise. E.W. Chambers, a civilian radio engineer in Washington suburbs, observed five huge discs circling in a loose formation. They tilted upward and left on a steep ascent. And then after that, uh guys from Project Blue Book uh started showing up and investigating in Washington. They were there for a while. Uh there's a lot in this one. We will put a link in the description for this episode so everybody can kind of check this out.

SPEAKER_01 18:06

But it's interesting that, you know, obviously with formations and aircraft and stuff, they're gonna be following a pattern, right? So as soon as you see something out of the ordinary, you have to assume that it's not not necessarily not human, but not not something that we've created. Because something go like like we said, it's kind of like you know physics come into play with with aircraft, right? We're not physics experts, but at the same time, you can sort of make a case for how an aircraft is gonna fly, right? Um there's there's certain ways you can do certain things, certain turns, certain maneuvers that you can do in a aircraft that we've created. And who better to figure that out than air traffic controllers or people that have flown or are f currently flying those aircraft? You look at this and you're like, what the hell is this? Like it's going fast as shit. It's it's making maneuvers that don't make sense, like going horizontal and vertical and diagonal by like a split second. Stopping on a dime. Yeah, like it's gotta raise some red flags, right?

SPEAKER_00 19:23

Maneuvers that would literally you couldn't survive making those maneuvers.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

The G-force alone would probably just kill you one hundred percent. If you're going 7,000 miles an hour and literally stopping as soon as you want to, like literally on point. Like there there's a reason why decompression is a thing, like with scuba diving and that kind of stuff and all that kind of shit. You can't go from zero to a hundred real quick. It just doesn't work that way if you're a human if you're a human being. We have we have like there's a reason why decompression is a thing. There's a reason why, you know, we have oxygen masks if we go above a certain depth or a certain ceiling of of airtime. Like this thing's going from zero to a hundred, right? And then on top of that, it's making maneuvers that would kill a normal person. At 7,000 miles an hour, let alone you're going that fast, but stopping, like it's like it's like the whole uh sudden stop thing. Like the fall isn't the fall isn't what kills you. It's the stop. And it's it's crazy to think about the fact that this thing is going seven miles 7,000 miles an hour and literally just it's it's it's it's wild.

SPEAKER_00 20:44

The White House actually the White House actually ordered a shoot down. They actually ordered the military to try to shoot these things down. Uh I don't know how the hell you're gonna catch something going 7,000 miles an hour, but yeah, good luck. Uh that was between July 26-27th. It says White House concern and the shoot down order, the sightings of July 26-27 also made front page headlines and even led President Harry Truman to personally call Captain uh I'm gonna fucking botch the hell out of this. Roop Ruppilt. And that sounds like an explanation of the sightings. Root belt remembering the conversation he had with Captain James, told the president that the sightings might have been caused by temperature inversion. This is where we get into the the uh you know, oh it wasn't UFOs. This this goes into like the whole they always try to cover it up with some bullshit weather phenomenon excuse.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

Well, that was like the the Roswell thing we were talking about off air. They blame it on a fucking weather balloon.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

Yeah, which the material the the um military officer that Got interviewed years later. He actually kept some of the material at his house, and his daughter has it. Um believe she gave it to some university and it was confiscated or whatever. But anyway, the material was like aluminum foil. You could crinkle it up. It was very light, like aluminum foil. You could crinkle it up in your hand. Yeah, the aluminum foil hats. As soon as you let go, it went back to its original form. Perfect, no lines, no nothing.

SPEAKER_01 22:31

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 22:32

So think about it as like aluminum foil, but with like sponge capability.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

But then it goes like rigid and is back to like straight as an arrow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

Do you ever use like a magic, like one of those like magic erasers, try to get something off the wall, like sharp ear marker?

SPEAKER_01 22:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

You can crinkle that damn thing up, and as soon as you let go, it goes right back to how it was. Yep. But imagine that as like a metal.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

And it's and it's pliable, right? 100%. Yeah. Yep. 100%. Uh so yeah, they've been doing that for a long time, the cover-ups and these stupid bullshit weather excuses. So anyway, um, they said that it would it was caused by a temperature inversion in which a layer of warm, moist air covers a layer of cool, dry air closer to the ground. Hard to do that when you're, I think they were at 10,000 feet. Oh no, that doesn't seem close to the ground to me, but fuck me if I'm wrong. Uh this condition can cause radar signals to bend and give false returns. However, Ruppolt had not yet interviewed any of the witnesses or conducted a formal investigation. That is awesome. CIA historian Gerald Haynes, in his 1997 history of the CIA's involvement with UFOs, also mentions Truman's concern. So President Truman said a massive buildup of sightings over the United States in 1952, especially in July, alarmed the Truman administration. The blips reappeared.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

Uh it's just real it's just interesting how they always try to turn it into something different, and it's like well, this is the other thing is if you're if you're talking about the um temperature inversion stuff, I actually scrolled down a little bit. This is actually interesting. So um I gotta look and see what the INS is. I can't remember what it stands for. Um let me look here. So the INS essentially I think has something to do with like um weather patterns and stuff like that. I could be wrong. I'm trying to find out what it looks. Let me just look it up real quick. Um but essentially the acronym uh I think it like I said, I think it has to do um with the fact that they monitor like, oh, it's the uh let's see. That doesn't look right. Um let's see.

SPEAKER_00 25:38

I tried looking it up. It's we're we're definitely not looking for the infusion nurses society.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Yeah, it's definitely not that. It's definitely not that.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

Definitely not.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

Um but essentially we'll look up and see what the INS is here in a second, but I actually saw this is actually interesting. So you you alluded to the temperature inversion stuff, that that was their scapegoat of, you know, it was it was a weird uh uh temperature phenomenon or whatever the whatever the fuck they want to put on it, right? Um according to a story printed by INS, the United States Weather Bureau also disagreed with the temperature inversion hypothesis. One official stating that such an inversion ordinarily would appear on a radar screen as a steady line rather than a single object as were cited on the airport radar scope. So you had the United States Weather Bureau saying you're full of shit. So I wonder if that was ever I it said as it was printed, so apparently it was somewhere. Um but I wonder how I wonder how far that made it to people. You know what I mean? Because we're talking about the cover-up and things like that. Like, was that even common knowledge? Or was it like something that was printed, they saw it and they're like, oh boy, like this makes us look like we have egg on our face.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

They there were a lot of news articles between those two and a half to three week span, like front page news articles of these sightings of these you know UFOs and stuff. So I mean, people knew, and then that's why you had you know the Air Force and the White House coming out, and everybody coming out and basically saying that's all it's weather phenomena. Um, so people definitely knew about it. There was actually, if you scroll down further, there were actual protests that the public was doing because of the response to it by the government and military of the explanation. Um so that's pretty typical of what happens.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

I mean, it just seems so far-fetched. Like you literally have the Weather Bureau part of your organization and government saying no. Like just a bad look, dog.

SPEAKER_00 28:08

Like they said that over Washington, DC, there was a temperature discrepancy, like the temperature dropped much lower in that area, right where those objects supposedly were.

SPEAKER_01 28:20

Well, depending on the technology that the aircraft was utilizing, that could be the whole reason why it did that, right?

SPEAKER_00 28:27

Right, right. Well, and look at today, okay. So, for how many years, for like the last 30 to 40 years, the government and everyone has said that weather manipulation is a myth, it's a conspiracy theory, and it doesn't exist. All of a sudden, Saudi Arabia and I think India and all these foreign countries in China say, Oh yeah, we actually can manipulate the weather. And it's like, Alright, you just caught you lying about another thing, and now there's actual companies out there where they do cloud seeding, and like farmers can pay these companies to actually seed these clouds and cause these storms, and then a bunch of shit happens. You know, it's why you're getting floodings all over the place. Um and they do the same thing, they just deny it, and it's like we're not stupid, the internet exists, like this information is out there. Um, you know, and I'm sure I'm I'll get crucified by people for saying what I just said, but I really don't give a fuck. Um we talk about tough things on this podcast, right, Blake?

SPEAKER_02 29:37

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

I mean, it's kind of like the same thing as like you look at like so I I'm gonna I'm gonna go off on a little bit of a tangent here, but it still sort of stays within the realm of what we're talking about as far as cover cover-up and stuff, right? So you you've obviously heard of Edward Snowden, right? Oh, yeah. Okay. So if you haven't heard of Edward Snowden, the reason why I'm bringing this up is because he was a whistleblower for uh some some stuff that went down. Essentially, what happened is he was a former National Security Agency intelligence contractor, and what happened was he leaved classified documents with revealing the instant the existence of global surveillance programs. So essentially what he whistle blew for was people were saying that you know your phone is never on when you turn it off, which is complete bullshit. Um just know that whenever you turn your phone off, it's not really off the microphone, and everything that is monitoring the audio and everything is still live. There's a reason why you're you can't remove your battery anymore. Well, yeah, there's a reason why you know that there's a reason why you're talking about factor meals and all of a sudden you go on Instagram and there pops factor meal ad, right? Um but how how many people and it's probably insane, it's an insane number that's not even calculable, um blackballed like Snowden for having all this information and outing it? Like how many people's lives have just been absolutely ruined, or God forbid they've been detained, detained, killed, you know, all that kind of stuff, thrown in jail, whatever. It's gotta be, it's gotta be out of this world, no pun intended.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

So do you do you know the story of Bob Lazar?

SPEAKER_01 31:41

No, I don't.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Paul. Brother, you wanna watch a good fucking documentary on this shit? You need to watch the Bob Lazar documentary. Read up on it or watch a documentary. Jesus Christ, is that a good fucking story? This guy came out in like the late fucking eighties, okay. Um George Knapp is the news reporter that he spoke to who released this story and he did a press conference. Bob Lazar worked at and this is probably gonna be a really shitty synopsis of it, so everyone don't I'm just letting you know right now, quotes will probably get misquoted and whatnot, but um Bob Lazar allegedly worked at area 51, like in that that certain area, inside one of the mountains, which is a base, and he was basically working on the reverse engineering of an alien spacecraft. And Bob Lazar came out and talked about element one fifteen. Element one fifteen was an unknown element to the public until maybe a decade ago, a decade or less ago. Um he talked about element one fifteen and for years was mocked and uh the government denied his existence and denied that he ever worked there, but everything kinda added up when he did investigations on him. He talked about all sorts of shit. He said he saw alien bodies. Sure shit, X amount of years later, element 115 is discovered, quote unquote, and it's released to the public, and it's everything that he talked about. Um FBI has raided his work, place of work. Um really good documentary, dude. Um I'll try to find it. I think it's uh it's either on Netflix or like Amazon, but you want to watch a fucking awesome documentary, you need to watch that shit. That's a phen fascinating story. He's been on Joe Rogan before and a couple other ones. Um that's a really, really, really good one, especially when we talk about cover-up. Like every date that he gave lined up, and then whenever they whenever investigators called the company, they said they didn't have anybody there by that name, but then they actually found on declassified documents he actually did work there, and like this whole thing happened because his ex-wife had an affair and it ruined his job there. Like, it's a crazy fucking story.

SPEAKER_01 34:44

That all comes back to the covering up of the cover-up, right? Like, yeah, like of course, they they come out, give the truth, and then they're thrown into an insane asylum. Oh, he's crazy. He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, he's learning tunes. It's it's it's wild to the fact that like imagine how many people are sitting in jail right now or a mental hospital because they've been deemed a threat to society, or they've been labeled schizophrenic, they've been labeled bipolar or whatever the case is. And you know, we got into sort of big big farm and stuff like that on a couple of our other podcasts, but like how many people are just destroyed by that kind of stuff so they don't talk?

SPEAKER_00 35:33

Have you ever heard of MKUltra? No. MKUltra was a program kind of like Project Blue Book that was denied for fucking decades, and then they declassify it. Okay, it's real. Project MK Ultra was a uh psychological LSD mind control uh project experiment that the CIA did for years. Um actually uh Charles Manson was born into it. His mom was one of the s of the uh patients. He has deep, deep, deep, deep ties to the fucking CIA. Um, a lot of people think that he was actually working with the CIA when he when they did those murders and stuff. Um if you ever get into like listening to his interviews and watching that shit, like I've watched a couple of them. I mean it's fucking crazy, but he was very educated on the bullshit.

SPEAKER_01 36:38

Well, when you get into the world when you get into that underworld, you come across people that you're not really supposed to come across in everyday society, right? Like it's it's sort of like the um I forget what the phenomenon's called, but like I know we touched on it last time, it was like the the laws and stuff that we were talking about, the metaphysical laws, like everything's on a path, right? Yeah. So like you come across people in your life that are supposed to open you up and and make you see things differently and and not take everything at face value, and I think that's where you and I really mesh on topics because we're willing to turn the page, so to speak. Um we're not set on we're we're constantly trying to figure out is there something more? What is what is what is being pulled over our eyes to blind us from the truth, so to speak.

SPEAKER_00 37:41

Not quoting the matrix or anything, but like that's I mean that's a really good point, right? Like I dude, anything that comes out on the news, I'm like, all right, let's actually do some research on this.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

Right, because you're only getting a quarter of the story, right, at best. Let's just call it a quarter. Um and I've I've noticed a lot with any time that I have watched the news, do you ever notice, and it might just be me, it might be an objective point of view, or subjective point of view rather. Um like the negativity far surpasses and outweighs any positivity. On any on any news on any on any news program, you can take CNN, you can take Fox, you can take whatever. All of them. CSNBC, whatever. And it's all centered around the bullshit.

SPEAKER_00 38:39

You're not supposed to watch the news if you're depressed. They literally tell you that. Don't watch the news if you're depressed. All they do is play fucking negative stories and like this next disaster is happening. You might see one nice warm-hearted fucking story a month. And you know what's fucking lucky.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

And you know what's wild that I've noticed? It's always at the end. Oh, yeah. Oh, by the way, everything's great. Oh, by the way, everything's roses. It's fine. We just spent a half hour of time going over all the bullshit that's happening and people dying and bombs going off. But here's somebody giving two million dollars to charity. Have a good night.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

Yeah, this kid rescued a turtle from crossing the road. I like turtles. Fucking uh, dude. What's crazy too is you know, these like Fox, CNN, fucking MSNBC, all of them, they go to interview people and you get a five-minute interview. That's it. That's why like I like the podcast thing because you actually get to hear a fucking person talk for more than five minutes and actually get their story, and you get like that human being connection instead of like five minutes, here's the agenda, talk about this. We're gonna actually edit out probably an additional two and a half to three minutes. So you're really only gonna get like a two and a half to three minute segment, and it's all rehearsed what that fucking person said, all rehearsed, and if you start talking about something they don't like, they're gonna fucking cut you off. You're done, you're scientist you're silenced.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

Well, not even cut you off, they'll cut the feed.

SPEAKER_00 40:30

Yeah, 100%. Yep, you're done. Um, that's why these podcasts are great, because you actually get to hear real people talk, not just five minutes. You can you know, Rogan says it all the time. You can fake being a certain type of person and being a certain type of way for 45 minutes to an hour, but after that hour, the real you is gonna start coming out in that fucking conversation. But it's all I agree with I do too 100%.

SPEAKER_01 41:08

It's also keeping everything in perspective, too. Like you don't want to go off too far of a tangent, you want to stay within the realm of quote unquote factual information.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

But when you're talking about things that have been covered up, you have to extrapolate it, you have to dig deeper, and you have to sort of yeah, you might have to dig deep in a certain direction, and then you know, eventually it's like, hey, let's get back on the topic we were. But there's so dude, there's so many fucking rabbit holes to go down. So many rabbit holes to go down.

SPEAKER_01 41:37

Yeah, it's called fucking YouTube. Well, yeah, there's some wild shit on YouTube, dog. Like, uh I I mean I say it all the time that I stream and stuff like that, but some of the content on YouTube is just so like, why did you bother? Mm-hmm. Like, oh yeah, just so so misinformed, so just like it's one thing to have a conversation and delve into like excuse me, tangents and going off on the left or the right or whatever. You have to keep it in perspective. You can't just be like, hey, this is all bullshit without presenting some type of factual information or some kind of like backup. Like if you're just spewing information, if you're just regurgitating word vomit, like it it's it's tough to take people seriously in that realm because they're not finding any fact or presenting presenting a topic in a way that makes sense. They're just talking. Right. You have to have you have to have the backup of the information, I guess is what I'm saying. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 42:44

That's literally what I was just about to say. You gotta be able to come with the facts, and if you can't come with the facts, then you know well, maybe not necessarily the facts.

SPEAKER_01 42:56

What I'm saying is presenting both sides and coming to a logical conclusion based on the information. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_00 43:02

Is that like you you can look at this, like, let's get back to this, okay? You can look at this and go, okay, there was a temperature change, right? So there was a weather phenomena, technically, was it caused by the craft? I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

But you also have like I said, uh like I said before from the from the weather bureau, they call it bullshit. It doesn't it doesn't do that, that doesn't happen, right?

SPEAKER_00 43:31

Right. So if you if you piece everything together and you're like, okay, well, yeah, this could be bullshit, right? This could just be a weather phenomenon, but if you look at this side, because a lot of people I think that they're they have a narrative and they're just gonna look at only the information that backs their narrative, they're not gonna look at the information that's like, oh, you know what? We're gonna look at A and B and possibly C or D two. Possibly C or D. Yeah, it doesn't fit what our we thought the outcome would be, but I think that's because you also got pride that comes in. You know, people think that because everything's been said that it's this way, we can't change history, we can't change our beliefs, we can't change things, which is asinine. Because if you got new information that confirms something, okay, well, you gotta be able to like fucking adapt, right? We're humans, we make mistakes, we don't know everything. We fucking love to act like we know everything. Like for the little bit amount of time that we've been on this fucking planet, we really know nothing.

SPEAKER_01 44:49

Well, we've also, as individuals, you and I, let's just let's just get this straight. We don't we don't pretend to know anything about anything. We're going based off the information extrapolating based on what we know, what we've experienced in our lives, and that kind of thing. We're not saying we know everything, we're not saying we're right, we're not saying any of that. What we're saying is that we're gonna we're gonna crush topics on the show that are more or less taboo.

SPEAKER_00 45:15

So what do you think this was? The little bit of information that you read. All right, you read like what 15 minutes of this this story.

SPEAKER_01 45:25

Yeah, it's about an 11-minute read, but I got to about the last paragraph and just sort of skimmed the last paragraph because essentially it was just the aftermath of what happened.

SPEAKER_00 45:33

Um so what's your what's your take? Like, what do you think?

SPEAKER_01 45:37

I think here put it put it this way. I've never come into contact with anything like this, but there's a lot of resounding information within this article that is pointing to something happened that nobody wants to talk about or wants to extrapolate into being an actual fact. There's a lot of there's a lot of misinformation as far as what the quote unquote uh I don't want to put this lightly. The g the the the the government and the people responsible for all of this stuff and and what it means from a government perspective and a national security perspective. There's not a lot of weight in what they're saying actually happened if it indeed was a weather phenomenon, because you have multiple accounts of people saying the exact same thing or around the same thing. Also, you have a government agency, and I keep going back to this weather bureau thing because you literally have people that specialize in weather. They specialize in what happened, why it happened, and where it happened, calling you a fucking liar.

SPEAKER_00 46:48

So, what do you think it was? Do you think it's a good one?

SPEAKER_01 46:50

I think it's I think it's 100% in a UFO. This is the thing, bro. It is I I've said it on Geeks with Balls, which was our other podcast that we used to do, or might be revamping here in a little bit, but we said it as far as like I don't pretend to know anything. So me me by religious definition, I'm agnostic, right? So I don't necessarily pretend to know anything I don't know, but I do believe in something. Like I I I can't pinpoint it to a figure or or or a deity or or whatever whatever you want to place as part of your faith that you look up to, right? But I do believe in something that is otherworldly and that we're not the only people here. It you would be you would be the most naive person in the world to think that we and in the infinite infinitasimal that is the universe, right? We are but a fucking speck. We're smaller than a speck. We're microscopic. And if you think that we're the only intelligent life in the entirety of the universe, which again is infinite, we don't know how big it is, it's infinite. You would be asinine to think we're the only people around here that give a shit or know what the fuck we're talking about. We're probably in the grand scheme of things as a civilization and as a uh planet itself, so primitive it blow it would literally blow it, it would literally make your mind explode.

SPEAKER_00 48:33

And the reason that opens up a whole another uh that should be the next episode.

SPEAKER_01 48:41

But like, what I'm saying is is that like our understanding is probably so primitive and so like pigeonholed because we only know what we know. We've been we've allegedly, you know, because that reads into the whole thing with like the um going to the moon and like exploring space like it's all a facade, it's not real, like the whole moon landing was filmed in a movie studio and all of that stuff. Like I I flat Earth theory, right? Like I I saw I saw the craziest video. I saw the craziest video the other day. It was because I don't know if you know that's one of the original guys that landed landed on the moon, so to speak. He just passed away like a day ago. Which one? Uh John Lovell. Okay, it wasn't uh oh god.

SPEAKER_00 49:41

You're thinking of Neil? Yeah, no, not Neil. I know Neil fucking uh Buzz Aldrin, love Buzz.

SPEAKER_01 49:50

So I saw a video the other day, it might have been over a week ago or a couple weeks ago. It was a I can't remember if he was like a uh um freelance journalist or something like that, but he showed up at some event where Neil Neil Armstrong was either presenting or he was a keynote speaker or whatever the case was, right? And he he wrote up to Neil Armstrong and was like, Hey, did you land on the moon? And Neil's like, Who the hell are you? Like, or how did you get in here? Why are you asking me that? Like, where the hell did you just come from? Yeah. And the guy's like, if you really landed on the moon, put your hand on the Bible because you're you know, I think he alluded to the fact that like Neil Armstrong is like a devout Christian or something. It was something to that effect, right? Yeah. Yep. He's like, put your hand on the Bible and say that you went to the moon and that it wasn't all a facade and fake. And he just he he he completely deferred and deflected, didn't want anything to do with the situation. Now, granted, it's kind of a radical situation, like, right? Like you're there to do like a keynote speech, and like the dude just pops up out of nowhere, like, hey, do this, right?

SPEAKER_00 51:00

Yeah, Rogan actually had that guy on uh his pocket.

SPEAKER_01 51:03

But like the context of the whole interaction was just weird. It was weird, it was bizarre. Exactly what you're talking about, but it's it's that kind of stuff where you're like you see this real world stuff and it's actually him, it's just odd. Like the whole interaction was just very uncomfortable, it was very it was very unorthodox. I get it. But if you have no qualms about what happened, why wouldn't you do it?

SPEAKER_00 51:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

Now I get you're putting somebody on the spot and you're on camera and it's awkward and all that kind of stuff, but like the way he was sort of negating the whole conversation and like didn't want to comment on anything and wasn't willing to talk to the dude, it was just weird.

SPEAKER_00 51:51

It is weird. I I've seen exactly what you're talking about. I believe I've heard that journalist talk before. I've also heard Neil and Buzz and a lot of Buzz has said some have you heard like Buzz's quotes? Buzz has said some interesting shit. Real interesting shit. There's also some really interesting uh shit as far as the recordings on the moon and their communication recordings back to home base of Nassau. Um Buzz said that you know they weren't the only ones up there when they landed. Um I do believe that some of the video that was shot was pre-recorded, wasn't actually from them being up there. Um, but you gotta remember, like, dude, that was the fucking 60s when they were up there.

SPEAKER_01 52:49

That was 69, if I'm not mistaken, right?

SPEAKER_00 52:52

Like, yeah, I believe so. And it was like they didn't have the capabilities that you had even 20 years ago, let alone now. Um you know, did they get there? I don't know. We're what we we're not gonna know. Could they have faked it? Sure. They could have easily faked it, I think. I don't think they did. Um, because of the amount of recordings and other shit and uh and and like Buzz saying that there were other beings up there. Um you know, everybody forgets that that wasn't the only time we went there. I think we we went there like more than five times, right? Like the Apollo missions, like there was a bunch of them.

SPEAKER_01 53:44

Right.

SPEAKER_00 53:44

Obviously, one of them fucking exploded and that was horrible, horrible tragedy. Um, but like that was a whole I think like a decade or over a decade of missions to the moon. So obviously, yeah, you hear about the first crew that went there because they made fucking history, but there were a lot more than just that trip that went, so and then we didn't go back for a long time, which is also very mysterious. I think we probably have going back. I think we probably have a fucking base up there. I think China probably has a base up there in Russia and a couple other places too. Um We have Space Force, China's got their own space military, and I believe Russia does too, and um like there like we could literally do an entire fucking podcast show on this type of shit. Like there's so many different rabbit holes, there's so much different shit that goes into it. Um you can get lost in it for sure. And like you said, are we the only life in the entire fucking universe?

SPEAKER_01 54:59

It'd be asinine to think so.

SPEAKER_00 55:02

I hope not, because if we are, the universe is pretty fucking sad. Yeah, I mean there's no way.

SPEAKER_01 55:11

Like there's no way, we like there's no way. Like it just it all circles back to it It's all hearsay until you have the evidence, right? And what we've been able to read through at least in the last hour is is pretty eye-opening. I mean, like I was looking at I was looking sort of skimming through to sort of see if there were any criticisms or anything like that of what actually happened. So there's a blurb in here that that was talking about the fact that um what the Air Force came out and said about, and we're sort of going back to the UFO thing we were talking about at the beginning of the show, um the Air Force explanation was there were there were press conferences and stuff for people that had military personnel that had spoken out about the fact that the Air Force explanation about the temperature inversion and the Mirage explanation and all that bullshit about what happened, that it was just a freak weather occurrence and all that stuff. There were certain people that had come out about that Air Force explanation and what had happened that weren't present at these press conferences. They were military personnel that were directly involved with what was happening and weren't present. They weren't allowed to be there. Which is interesting. Because it comes back to the whole it comes back to the whole conspiracy theory, and there's a cover-up, and if you're here if you're here, you're gonna make a scene, and we want to keep this all in perspective and we don't want to scare people, which is all great. That's that's fine. But is that the real objective to what you're doing? That's the question, right? Is is it are you really worried about people's safety or are you just trying to CYA and cover your own ass? That's the question.

SPEAKER_00 57:03

Uh do you remember the War of the Worlds? Which one? The original, the George Orwell ship? It was uh I it was the radio show.

SPEAKER_01 57:16

Yeah, it's it's I believe that's I believe that's George Orwell, I believe. I it might not be. Let me look.

SPEAKER_00 57:23

Let me look and see who it won. They did it over the radio, and this is actually what starred HG Wells is who it won.

SPEAKER_01 57:29

I'm sorry, excuse me.

SPEAKER_00 57:30

You had to have. I think I fucked this up, but you had this is what implemented radio stations having mandatory commercial breaks.

SPEAKER_01 57:43

Because they because it wasn't it was a continuous broadcast.

SPEAKER_00 57:48

It was a continuous blot broadcast of a play, of a story, and people thought it was real, or there was an alien attack in California, and people actually were jumping off fucking buildings and killing themselves. And it was lies. Aliens were here, it was lies.

SPEAKER_01 58:03

Like it was like it had all the bells and whistles, it had all the sound effects, it had all that stuff. It was basically like a first hand account from a reporter, correct?

SPEAKER_00 58:11

Yes, 100%. So that is what made the military and the US government decide that we cannot tell the public that this shit exists because pandemonium will happen, people will kill themselves, pure chaos. Now, the big big one, the big big one, which you definitely have to take in consideration, especially for how many people across the world believe in it, and not just in the one, okay, it's religion as a whole. If they admit w when they admit, and the in the in the running thing for fucking almost a century now has been if we come out and we admit that there is alien life out there, it will crash, burn, and ruin religion. Which I've never understood that stance. I've never understood that. Because why can't you still have religion just because there are other beings out there? Don't you think maybe they worship a higher power? But it that that's been their theory is that they won't come out because the public can't handle it and it will fucking cripple uh the Vatican and you know, Muslim and Hindu and all that, all the religions that'll cripple it.

SPEAKER_01 59:45

Yeah, well, that's the whole thing, is that why can't they just live in tandem?

SPEAKER_00 59:52

Right?

SPEAKER_01 59:52

It's such a simple like why why does it have to be why does it have to be one or the other? Why do we have to deal why do we have to deal in in extremes?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:07

Well, and then they'll tell you that it's because these aliens basically made us into a science project. We're their science project, they created us, and they've been monitoring us and analyzing us, and we're basically a science experiment. Well, it's the whole South Park episode thing, right? But it's like legitimate, like that's legitimately the fucking like. But that's why it's funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:34

That's why it's funny, though, is because it's real fucking life. Yeah, it's real life. Oh, they're they're they're there can the Earth is just a big reality TV show. What if we are though? It'd be fucking crazy. I believe it. We're just the Jersey Shore brother.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:55

But like you take like it's it like this whole topic is fucking crazy because think about how much of our own planet and our own history that we don't know, and then it's like, hey, let's try to figure out the universe. That is a joke.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:14

Might want to focus on the stuff in front of you rather than the mile down the road type scenario. You get what I'm saying? Might want to focus what's like five feet in front of your face before you know start biting more off more than you can chew.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:28

I believe this topic to a certain extent. Maybe not fully, but there's a part of me that like kind of believes it. The Aztecs and the Mayans and the Egyptians, way back in the day, they knew about celestial objects in space more than we do now.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:49

Well, it's the whole thing with the pyramids and stuff, right? Like as we as we try to figure out where we came from and that kind of stuff, we're sort of understanding that a lot of the stuff that we see, especially from way back in the day, I'm talking about like like Neanderthal days and stuff like that. Yeah, we're seeing things in the world that aren't built by human hands because there was no physical way to do it. Like, one of the biggest anomalies other than the pyramids is stuff like Stonehenge. Like there's no logical way that somebody would be able to back in that time period without advanced technology, whatever that means. It's a big generalization, but without advanced technology, there's no way you're lifting that thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:44

Oh, yeah. It's not possible. Look at look at Easter Island and the heads.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:52

Yeah. Or like the Sphinx and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:55

Like, yeah. And they're not just heads. You realize those heads at Easter Island, they dug underneath them. They're full body statues.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:05

I did not know that.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:06

That actually makes a lot of sense. Full body statues and the fucking rock that those statues came from came from like a fucking mountain on that island that's like super fucking far away. And all those fucking bodies slash heads are all on the coastline facing one distinct fucking way.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:31

Yep. It's like the stuff that lines it's like the pyramids lining up with stuff in space.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:36

Like it's just Well well, okay. Let's take the pyramids. Here's a really fucking good one too. The pyramids in Giza line up with Orion's belt. Not only does it line up with Orion's belt, they are on the exact same fucking equator line that the pyramids in, I believe, Machu Picchu and South America line up exactly. I'm talking, Blake, to the centimeter. Exactly. Same formation. Everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:09

Yeah. It it's just there's too there's too much. And I think that's that's part of the point. Is that I'm a big believer in people not talking or wanting to talk about things that scare them or stuff that's unknown. That's part of the problem. It's that people are scared to talk about stuff that they don't know about because they will find something that they weren't expecting, and that scares a lot of people. A lot of a lot of fear is is centered around and rooted in the fact that you have no ex logical, quote unquote logical explanation of why it is the way that it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:48

Well, I think for academia, I think the big one is that like people have written books, people have taught classes, their whole livelihood is based upon this theory that's quote unquote proven. And if you fucking challenge that theory and there's any evidence that comes out that discredits that theory, I think they think that like they're people are gonna fucking just throw them out and think that they're bullshit. And it's like, no, like it's okay to think one way for X amount of years because that's the information that you had, but when you find new information that discredits that information, it's okay to have that come out. It doesn't mean that like you're a failure and you're a loser and like you you're full of shit. You had a theory, we went with that theory for a long time, and okay, we found something. It's gotta be ego. Ego's gotta be a big thing that gets in the way.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:48

Well, it's it's the ability to change your perspective. Everybody has their own prerogative, everybody has the ability to change their perspective on stuff, and has the right to do that. Like theirs.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:02

If your show there's a show on Netflix. Have you heard of Graham Hancock? Uh the name sounds familiar. Okay, he's done um like ancient civilizations type thing. It's a series on Netflix. I forget the name of it. I'll look it up here in a second. But like he basically has found evidence all over the world that the flood in the Bible was real. Okay, there was an actual flood. And that there's an ancient civilization that had ancient technology that was lost. There's a place called Gobekli Teplak that they recently discovered. The government still has some rules about them doing excavations. Um, but this farmer found these stones on his land. They've done excavations. You know, they used to think that like civilized human beings were around like what 10,000 years ago? Ish. Right? Okay. Give or take. These predate these are are intricately done in a very civilized manner. Understanding the animals of the planet, because there's animals etched on these stones from all over the world, and they um predate over 30,000 years. So triple. Yes. Yes. And there's a lot of evidence that the Sphinx in Egypt is like double or triple what they think it is. That it was actually built way before the pyramids. That the pyramids were built before the Sphinx. There's also another theory that we are the fifth generation of human beings. So we're the fifth generation of humans that have gotten this technologically advanced. And you get into Lannis and a whole bunch of other shit, but yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:25

Yeah, it's just it I guess I guess what it boils down to is that if you're going to make a claim, you have to look at it from both sides. Oh, yeah. You can't just have a stern stance and not I mean you can. And we we can get into that at some point on another episode, but like there's so so many people that are steadfast on their position that they're blinded by the other side. And I'm not saying that anything's wrong with that. What I am saying is that in order to have an intelligent conversation and an intelligent debate, at least from my perspective, you have to be open-minded to a certain degree. You can stand on laurels and your morals and what you believe in, but at the same time there's no harm in hearing the other side of the information and taking it with a grain of salt, not necessarily believing it or taking it as gospel. But I think that's how you grow as far as not just within that realm, but as a human being, like as human beings, we we consume, right? That's that's what we do as a species. We consume, we adapt, and we figure shit out. There's nothing wrong with that, and I feel like a lot of people are very steadfast on the on the other side of that coin to not do that because they're scared of what they might figure out or how it will change their perspective.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:51

But like as human beings, like that's what makes us so great, is we are problem solvers, right? Yeah. But like we we figure things out, and whatever we have in front of us, we tend to find a way to quote unquote make it better. We improve on everything that we do.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:10

Do you think that technology is sort of stymied that? Yes. Do you think that like I'll even take it a step further that like we've we've gotten into this realm of technology where literally anybody can influence opinion. Whereas before before the internet, and not necessarily the internet, but let's take social media. Anybody can go on there and make a claim and make it believable. Because of all of the advancements we have in technology now as far as AI and just the the freedom of information that we have through technology is just it's it's mind-blowing compared to when we were kids. Like kids would rather sit on a video game these days than go outside and play outside. Like, we come from a generation, the two of us, where it was cool to be outside with your friends. It was cool to be outside running around and getting dirty and wrestling in the mud and playing baseball and football and Red Rover and shit at the bus stop and stuff like that. Like we sort of made our own, we sort of made our own fun back in the day. Now it's all done through a computer screen and a monitor. Yeah, it is 100%. Um people have become such such keyboard warriors, I feel like, too. Like, if you try to have a sit-down conversation with with anybody, they're not as gung-ho about what they believe in necessarily. I mean, generally speaking, I feel like, that they would be if they were behind a keyboard.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:58

Well, I think a lot of people don't want to take that leap of faith because they feel like they're gonna get crucified if their face is out there. Like, let's be honest, what you and I are doing, like, we got big cojones just because we're gonna face a lot of criticism, no matter what we say.

unknown 1:12:18

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:19

You're gonna get it from both sides. You gotta have that I don't give a fuck attitude. Um, you gotta own what you say. Everybody is so fucking judgmental nowadays, it's insane. You're not allowed to make a mistake, you gotta live this perfect fucking life, which is impossible. Everybody's got skeletons in the closet, everybody fucks up, everybody says something says something that they probably shouldn't. Um it's just so fucking unrealistic. And it's okay to have a thought on Monday, and then maybe you look back on Wednesday or Friday and go, alright, maybe I shouldn't have said it that way, but it it's okay to live in the moment. Right. Um, and it's okay to like change your views and opinions, and you know, that's why like I am an independent, I'm in the middle, and liberals fucking hate me, and conservatives hate me. Because to a conservative, I'm very left, and to a very left person, I'm very right. And it's like, no, I'm just in the middle. I think for myself, I'm allowed to take pieces of this and like that, and then take pieces of this over here and like that. It's okay to play Trump, for instance, like there's a lot of shit that he's done good. Is he fucked up on shit? Absolutely. You're an asshole if you think that he's like a perfect person who's made no fucking mistakes. Like, you know, and I wish I could say the same for Biden and that administration. I think there might be a handful of things that they did decent, but it has been proven that he was not running the country, right? I mean they had a fucking auto signature for him for Christ's sake.

unknown 1:14:09

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:11

Well, and like, not to get like super political on here, but like it's okay to be like, you know what, these are the two people that I have to vote for. I'm gonna vote for this guy. I'm not gonna fucking like everything that either of them do, but they're I hope this guy does more things better than the other one.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:32

Yeah, it's the lesser of two evils type scenario.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:35

Yeah, like do you want a turd sandwich or do you want a turd sandwich with ketchup? Well, I'll take the fucking ketchup.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:41

Or you know turd sandwich in a giant douche. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. Whatever. But but I think that segues in sort of the end of the show and sort of what the what the show means. It's never going to, and we'll probably say this every single time we go off air or we sign off for for an episode, is that like we'll never come on here pretending that we know everything. We're gonna talk about things and issues and scenarios that not necessarily everybody wants to talk about, but we're also gonna look at it from both sides and be be objective. We're never gonna say that we're 100% right. We're gonna go based off the information and what we've experienced in our lives, and I think that's why the show is going to be very, like I said earlier, malleable. Like it's not always going to be the same rinse and repeat episode. We're gonna get into things that I don't I keep using the word taboo, but I don't necessarily think it's taboo. I think it's just uh it's a it's a lot of topics and a lot of scenarios that people don't want to get into, but we're not gonna do it from a perspective of we know everything. It's not gonna be a hey, listen to me, I've got all the answers type of scenario. It it's it's not about that. It's about taking what is out and what we have access to and giving our perspective on it as you know, a 34, almost 35-year-old adult, and a 35 going on 36 adult.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:13

It's it's a personal perspective. Hold on, I'm 34, don't age me, don't add an extra year. My hairline is gone.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:23

Don't don't I'm not even gonna comment on that because I'll flame you on a live podcast. Um go for it. Um but we'll wrap up. We'll we'll we'll wrap up because we're going to about an hour and twenty, almost an hour thirty. So I I guess I guess what we'll say to close out is never get on here thinking that you're gonna hear the gospel. We're gonna give you perspective, we're gonna give you what we think, and it it comes at face value as as opposed to tiptoeing around issues and not ext and not getting in and actually extracting what needs to be said and what we feel is a justifiable way to end a topic. Um it's always gonna be open-ended, so we might revisit things on this show that we've done in the past. Like I said, a lot of this episode centered around UFO sightings and and sort of what has gone on over the last century or so, probably, or maybe even before that, because I think the one that we did last week, the Aurora Texas one, I think was in the the late 1800s, so it wasn't even that was 1897. Yeah, it was 97, so we're talking almost 70 years after the fact. Um or not even 70 years, we're talking about 50 and some change-ish. Um so we won't always center on the paranormal and and UFOs, we'll sort of get into other stuff, but a lot of this stuff it is called obscure cast, so like I said, it's gonna be very obscure content. It's gonna be content that you can sit and have a conversation about, but the conversation has to be dual-sided. You can't look at it from one perspective. You have anything else, Daniel, before you sign off?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:07

Uh, just basically kind of like what you piggyback piggybacking off of what you said. Um, you know, we're gonna talk about maybe some difficult topics on here, but also some fun stuff. And we're very open-minded. That's the thing that you gotta understand. And people are gonna be critical, Blake. We're gonna have our trolls, right? We're gonna have our trolls. Yeah, I embrace the room.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:34

It's just the nature, it's just the nature of the beast, and as long as it's not completely out of left field, a lot of the topics that if you guys want to talk about or want to have us comment on, unless it's completely taboo and like it's just not it's not a topic that can be exercised in a objective or subjective manner. We're not gonna touch on it, but I can promise you that a lot of what we talk about is gonna be dual-sided. It's not gonna be this is how it is, this is what we think, and it's gospel, and you can't think otherwise. It's never gonna be that. It's actually gonna be the complete other extreme. Um, but I guess in closing, I hope you guys enjoyed the episode. Um, it will be uploaded as soon as we can get it edited and everything. But um I know the first episode went really well. We were at about an hour and a half on the second episode, so I hope you guys enjoyed it. Um, if you guys would follow the podcast, it's gonna be on Spotify. We might be putting it on like Apple Music. I know we did it with another podcast that I said that I sort of alluded to earlier. We might start putting it on like Apple Music and stuff just so it's a little bit more out there as far as engagement is concerned. But um, like I said, to boil it down to a sentence, if you're interested in finding out about topics and in hearing from two guys that have known each other for close to 20 years, um we're we're we have our disagreements. We're not always gonna agree on stuff, but I can promise you that it's never going to be a finite answer. We're always gonna try to find things that will muddy the waters and sort of give us a different perspective. So, like I said, it'll be up on Spotify as soon as we can get it edited. And uh I hope you guys enjoyed the episode. Make sure to follow on Spotify if you haven't already, and we will see you guys on the next episode. Take care, guys. And follow us on social media too. Yep. I was gonna say we'll have that, we'll have those social media handles figured out as sooner rather than later. So again, thank you guys for listening. If you guys have anything you want to put in the comments or feel free to follow the Spotify, and we'll be putting up episodes as as quick as we can. Alright, guys, take care. Bye.