Face to Face with the Unknown: A Firsthand Cryptid Encounter

In this episode, we dive deep into the world of cryptids with a special guest who claims to have had a chilling firsthand encounter. From strange sounds in the night to an unforgettable face-to-face moment, hear his story and decide for yourself—was it myth, legend, or something very real?

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:55

Alright, everybody, welcome back to episode four of Obscurecast. Today we're taking a little bit of a turn from what we've been talking about. Last couple episodes, we've been sort of going into sort of the uh sort of the ethereal type of stuff as far as like aliens and UFOs and things like that. Today we're gonna take something a little bit more home-based, I guess. And as always, I have Dan O'Neill with me, and we actually have a special guest on this episode as well. Dan, how you doing? I'm doing good. Doing good, man. We have a special guest, Brennan Coval, that is on with us as well. What's up, dude?

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Hi, guys. Thanks for having me on.

SPEAKER_03 1:36

Absolutely. So we're gonna go, we're gonna go into a little bit, like I said, a little bit more home-based stuff as far as stuff on the ground as opposed to up in the air. So um, I guess the main topic that we're talking about tonight is gonna be cryptids. Is that right? Sure is. Okay. That's what I was informed. Um, so basically, for anybody that doesn't know, cryptids are essentially there, there's they're figments of basically like lore and stuff like that that have happened on Earth. So your your Bigfoots, your Loch Ness monsters, things like that. And it's an interesting topic because there's a lot of documented footage, but the question is, it's kind of like the UFO stuff as well as the um stuff that we went over over last episode with like the Anunnaki and like that kind of stuff, where it's not really factual, and a lot of it is sort of portrayed in the wrong light just due to AI and things like that. So a lot of the footage, I mean, the main ones that people know about are like I said, the Loch Nest Monster and Bigfoot, but there's also a lot of other ones that people don't talk about as much. And that that's sort of what we're gonna get into. And I know Brendan has um a firsthand account of cryptids that he's gonna share with us a little bit later, but what do you guys think as far as the the cryptids are concerned? Do you think it's fact? Do you think it's fiction? Do you think there's some truth to it? Do you think it's overshadowed fiction where like some of it's true and then some of it's fabricated? What do you guys think? I'll let one of you go. Dan, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

Um, I think that I think that there is some truth to it. I don't think that obviously all of it's true. I think um you know, I do think some of them could be real. I mean, there is a new species of ape that was just discovered in the Amazon, I think in like 2014 or 2015 that nobody knew about. So I mean um there are species out there that we don't know about. I mean, you look at the ocean, we've only explored like what 1% or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 3:42

The vast majority of it's below the surface anyway.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

Right. Um, I I think a lot of it is it could also be um people misidentifying stuff. But, however, I do think that you know they're I mean, if you look at history, Germany with the Nazi regime, they were trying to make human chimpanzee hybrids. Lord knows what our government has tried doing or has done. You never know, and they're never gonna come out and tell the public that they did it.

SPEAKER_03 4:15

So well, even on that topic, I think even on that topic, and Brennan, I'll let you weigh in too. Even on that topic, you look at like the all the stuff that's been going around as far as like the last I would say 10-15 years about like cloned meat and stuff like that, where like they're they're basically if you want to believe it or not, they're throwing meat that is not necessarily 100% beef or 100% pork or something like that. It's been cloned from another animal to sort of mass produce that kind of stuff. And Brendan, I just want to sort of touch on that as being like a little snippet of sort of what we're talking about. Brendan, how do you feel about the whole situation? Do you think it's fag? Do you think it's fiction? You think it's bullshit? What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Well, um first I want to say the people that may be mischaracterizing them or misnaming them, it's 2025, they gotta get better with it. Um all seriousness though, so there's actually people that are called cryptozoologists and they basically study these different things with very minimal fact or personal experience or scientific data. But one cool fun fact is kangaroos used to be considered those, right? And now you see them everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 5:39

Right.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

A long time ago they thought kangaroos were some sort of you know animal that wasn't real. And yeah, I swear to God. Um that's crazy. Yeah. So I think that there's definitely things out there. I think that you know, listen to some of your guys' stuff talking about you know, just paranormal things in a way, and you know, things beyond us. I definitely believe that there's things out there that we don't fully understand, kind of like how the ocean is, but on land. Um you know, people rule into Bigfoot. There's a Bigfoot festival here every year. I don't know about out where you guys are from, but there's one up north every year. Um Bigfoot, what is that?

SPEAKER_02 6:32

What was that called? Marinville's Bigfoot Fest.

SPEAKER_00 6:36

Yeah, Bigfoot Festival. Um you know, and and what's the crazy thing is is what I encountered doesn't go along with like people who like hunt them and like research them, there are zero recorded cases in the state of PA that would line up to what I encountered. Um even looking into like looking into what it could have been still doesn't really line up with the things in PA.

SPEAKER_03 7:09

So essentially yours was pretty unique, is what you're saying. Yours was pretty something that was sort of out of the ordinary, even for even for Cryptid's sake.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

Yeah, and it listen, I definitely think the the animal or humanoid being of Bigfoot, was it ever once real? Yes. Can it still be? Definitely. Have I seen it? No. So that's one of those things for me, it's like, you know, even though I haven't seen it, I still definitely believe it. There's some things I'm like, get the fuck out of here. You know what I mean? Like it's not absolutely wild. But then I start to really sit and think, I'm like, okay, well, that could make sense. I could I can understand it from this viewpoint, you know. So try not to be completely closed off.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

If you think about how many millions of acres there are that there's forest land, just the United States alone, we're not even talking about Europe and Russia or Asia. Like, you think about Alaska, Alaska's like the size of Texas, isn't it? Or bigger? It's pretty large.

SPEAKER_03 8:12

Like like Yeah, we're talking landmass-wise, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

Like that is the last wilderness frontier that is not super, and there's a lot of military bases out there, secret military bases and stuff like that, and Lord knows what's out there. Um, so just like with the Amazon, and you think about that vast jungle, um, there's no reason why up in Washington or Montana, Alaska, Canada, look how big Canada is. Um, there's a lot of acres that probably very few humans have even touched.

SPEAKER_03 8:56

Well, you're talking about things that are unhabitable, too. You're talking about like places like the Yukon, for example, that nobody could survive, anyways, for more than maybe a day or two. You know, like without well, I'm saying surviving like by yourself. Yeah, exactly. So like a survivalist or something like that. You wouldn't be able to do that, but like there are there are certain cultures, certainly Inuit cultures that make life in the Yukon, but they have the ability to do so because they have the means to do it, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 9:25

Mm-hmm. Um and and those Inuits, the Inuits and the Navajo, and like these Native American cultures, and even the the tribes down in South American stuff, they all have cryptid stories too.

SPEAKER_03 9:41

Well, right. It's not, but that's the thing, is it's not generalized just to the US or to the to Europe. It's uh it's there there's there's sightings all over the place. Like, for example, you know, the Loch Ness monsters in Scotland, I believe, correct? Isn't that where it's supposed to be supposed to be at? So like you have all of these places, yeah. You have all of these places, it's not just centralized to one area of the world, it's everywhere. Go ahead, Brennan.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

Um, like go going off what you just said about around the world, um, like you know, good point. Um I I'm gonna mess this name up. The Kitsun, it's a fox spirit, like in East Asia. Then you got the Selkie. No, I definitely messed that name up from Scotland, like, and then even Loki, the Norse tricksters, can't like you know, Loki the god, yeah, is considered one of those.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Yeah, like it's wild.

SPEAKER_03 10:39

But a lot of the stuff, a lot of the stuff, like I said, could be real deal stuff, it's just fabricated to a certain degree, where like it's kind of like um where's the Mothman at? Isn't the Mothman somewhere in mid in the Midwest? So Mothman is West Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

Okay, so it's a little bit everywhere. Okay. Sightings in Chicago.

SPEAKER_00 11:03

Um yeah, so well, there's something I kind of want to go off to. I definitely think that some of the stuff is like fabricated to an extent of being like in my point of view, like really. But I think there's kind of a fine line. Not not so much a fine line, but I I believe in certain things. And I also believe in good and evil. Some of these things that like we taught you guys talked about with like Native Americans. I do feel like some of these, you know, encrypteds are somewhat of an evil-spirited thing that's not necessarily an actual animal, but it's actually real. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_03 11:56

Like So you're saying it's more like supernatural type of stuff? Is that what you're trying to say? Where it's more of like a hear not hear type of thing? I wouldn't even say demonic because he's talking about he's also talking about things that are good. So like demonic has like that yeah, like the demonic thing has the negative connotation that it's evil or malicious or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 12:18

Yeah, like I believe that some of these things that are classified as cryptids that people study, I don't fully believe that they're all animals. Like I just said, you know, Loki is considered one of those things. But here in the States, like I think about you know, the big one is skinwalkers or a wendigo. And you know, there's actual videos, there's actual things like that online, whether people want to argue that they're fabricated or AI generated, whatever you want to say, I do believe that some of these things are real, like legitimate real animals or humanoid things. But I also believe there's a aspect of a little bit of a further beyond with some of this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

So you're saying like interdimensional?

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Um okay, so when you say that, like I'm not talking about like aliens, I'm talking about like paranormal.

SPEAKER_03 13:21

I'm talking like paranormal could still be interdimensional.

unknown 13:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:25

It's like essentially it's got a one foot in, one up one foot out the door type shit, I think is what Dan is trying trying to say. And that's sort of where I'm going too, is that it's like a spirit, it's otherworldly, it's not necessarily an alien. It's something that, you know, it could be, you know, we were talking last episode about gods and Norse mythology and stuff like that, and monotheistic monotheistic and polytheistic, all that kind of stuff. I think that's where Dan's trying to go with it. I don't think he's trying to say that it's necessarily an alien, but think about the definition of an alien. It's something that's not human, right? It's correct. Something else.

unknown 14:01

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 14:02

So you have to sort of put alien with an asterisk, I think. I think that's what Dan's point is, is that it doesn't necessarily have to be the the green guy that comes up with the huge eyes and the huge head that's telekinetic and all that kind of shit. That's not necessarily something alien to us, is something foreign. That's what I attribute an alien to. I think that's where he's going with it.

SPEAKER_02 14:23

Yeah, that's yeah, that's where I was going.

SPEAKER_03 14:25

Something that's beyond our understanding, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

That makes okay, that I can comprehend that a little bit better.

SPEAKER_03 14:31

Yeah. So I think the main thing with crypt, I think we all agree, I think we all agree, and correct me if I'm wrong, that I think a lot of it, a lot of what we have to deal with as far as cryptons are concerned, is probably not necessarily fabricated, but it's definitely blown out of proportion to some degree. Like you could see you you could see depending on the depiction of the cryptid you're talking about, you could see something that looks like that, but it's not necessarily to a T. I guess that's my point. So uh what I also wanted to get into with the cryptid stuff is that do you guys think as time goes by it becomes more fabricated and more blown out of proportion? Like, do you think that lore just grows with people wanting it to be wanting it to be prevalent within pop culture or wherever it's sort of stationed in that realm? Or what do you guys think about that? Do you think it's do you think they grow more and become more um not necessarily fictitious, but I guess more of a icon than anything else, where it's like it it becomes so well ingrained in pop culture that people just have to sort of feed feed the lore? Or what do you guys feel about that? Go on, Bruno.

SPEAKER_00 15:51

Um I feel like in modern times, as we get smarter as we advance as humans with technology, I think I think things have been I think when they originally started they've definitely been fabricated more. But I feel like now that there's more ways to get evidence to kind of go with that fabricated story that could have gone a little bit further, kind of like you know, oh I caught this fish, the fish it always gets bigger. Kind of one of those things. But I think nowadays it's to a point where people are so invested and just so obsessed that they want to believe it all. Do I believe that like I definitely feel that things are fabricated to an extent, but I don't think it's to the extent that some of these people should be believing. You know, people going out there knowing what something sounds like when there's never been a video or a sound recorder of what they sound like. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_03 17:10

Like a yeah, to me it does for sure. Yeah, I mean, like there's weird sounds and weird bumps in the night, but doesn't necessarily have to be a crypto, does it have to be something like that? Not necessarily. Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

I I think what's interesting is like one of the big ones that I know of is book Bigfoot and hearing people um who have had a Bigfoot encounter. The ones that always where I can kind of somewhat buy into it is when they start describing it, like they people even the ones that don't necessarily see it but they have like like they're camping, they're in a tent. They talk about this like horrible stench. They always talk about this bad stench. And even the Native Americans talked about this horrible stench that follows it. Um people that have seen it talk about there's there's certain certain stories with people seeing Bigfoots that I'm like, okay, I can maybe buy get it behind that, but then there's other ones that I feel like are so outlandish, like they're twelve feet tall. I'm like, alright, well that's not even most of the story is Bigfoot's between like Blake's height and like eight feet. So we're talking like seven to eight feet tall. Um I don't know how many like legit st Bigfoot stories you guys have heard from people talking about their encounters. But it's almost like out of a hundred stories, there's probably about eight to ten that you're like Alright, well these are seem kind of more legit than the other ones because they have a very similar theme. These are people that don't know each other. A lot of times they're in different parts of the country, different age groups, different ethnicities, and they're saying the same thing. Uh, and a lot of them were not believers. I tend to I tend to like to listen to people who didn't believe in it at all and thought bullshit, that shit doesn't exist, to then they have an experience. It's almost like with UFOs or like spirits where people who are not believers at all have something happen, which I I have experienced that firsthand with a couple of people. Both of you know uh one of them um I won't say on this, but you know one of them, I'll tell you off air. Um adamantly did not believe it, and then had an experience happen and then they believed it, didn't really want to talk about it, but they turned into I don't really know anymore instead of just thinking, oh it's bullshit, that's not real. Actually kind of almost changed their religious beliefs because of it. Um but when you talk about something with cryptids, I always think that those interactions where you take somebody who wasn't a believer at all to holy shit, they had an experience. It just fascinates me. I guess that's what I'm getting at. Those are the ones I can really jump on.

SPEAKER_00 20:36

You know what that that makes total sense. Like you were saying about the Bigfoot thing, I know two separate people that have told me stories. The one I fully believe, the other one is more like a eh, you know what I mean? Like maybe he made it up, and that's from my own personal experience with something that I'll dive into later too. But like you said, I know some I I knew, I guess I should say somebody that legitimately had a first hand encounter with one. Um, I know a couple people that have genuinely experienced things and they can't explain it. So some of it, you know, I don't know, like the smelling thing, that's not just for a Sasquatch or a Bigfoot or whatever. That's for a couple different things. And I think I think that could be something that was fabricated, if that you know, because how can you have multiple different things smelling the same way but be totally different?

SPEAKER_03 21:48

But then getting back to that Yeah, as far as like the sightings and stuff, yeah, like it it how can it be the exact same smell? Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

Yeah, and but then it goes back to my like my thought process of What if this some of the stuff is actually evil? And what if some of it's actually good? What if some of it's like a decaying nasty smell because it's actually evil? But what if it's just a nasty smell because it literally is living in the woods?

SPEAKER_03 22:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:19

Like Yeah, and if it's eating rotted animal carcasses, then it's probably not going to smell too good, because if it's hot out, it's gonna, you know, sweat, right? Right. Yeah. Release that. It's not gonna smell good.

SPEAKER_03 22:37

I mean you can even take a if you guys have ever wanted a I mean, well, I mean it's like the same thing as like keeping like old like meat in your fridge for too long, or yeah, or milk or cheese or whatever. It it tends to smell like it's gonna rot. Like it's it, I mean, even cheese being mold, it can still go bad. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 22:59

So like raccoons don't smell too good because they're scavengers, they're in trash cans all the time, and dumpsters and you know, um so it it dude.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

I got chickens and ducks. Sometimes I walk past them like, oh, god damn.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

Like yeah, and it's the defecation too stuff, right? Like they're they're eating like like you like you said, Dan, with like vultures and and and raccoons and stuff like that, they eat they feast off of whatever they can find. So if they're eating a dead animal, then happen to shit it out, it's not gonna smell great either. You get what I'm saying? So like all that kind of stuff comes into play. Go ahead, Brennan.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

Well, that's like bears. A lot of people I know that hunt bears. I've never personally ran into somebody who was like, oh, dude, I love eating bear. I love eating black bear. It's the same concept. They eat nasty stuff, and then you know, their meat gets real nasty and like greasy and oily. Just everyone that I've known didn't like the taste. I tasted it one time and I was like, this is bad. Like, there's no way this is cooked, like rough. So I think that's definitely a big part of it.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

Yeah, for sure. And and the other thing too is you know, as far as people saying, Well, how come how how are they so elusive if they're so big? I've heard that uh question a lot. And if you've noticed where these are theory on that, I'm glad you brought that up.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

I have a legitimate theory on that. I'm sorry to interrupt, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

No, you're you're good. So if you notice where a lot of the Sasquatch Bigfoot sightings are, um, and again, this is just one cryptid, but if if you look at a chart of where a lot of the sightings are, they are by a lot of cave systems, and I don't think too many people realize exactly how many fucking caves we have here in the United States, especially in the Midwest, and even more so out uh out in the west and in the desert, um, and Lord knows up in Alaska and stuff like that. You could easily have something living in the cave systems for sure.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:25

Go ahead, Brennan.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

So going to the elusiveness thing, um, Blake, have you ever gone hunting?

SPEAKER_03 25:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Okay. What did you go hunting for?

SPEAKER_03 25:37

Um, mostly waterfowl and deer.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

Okay, Dan, you went hunting, correct?

SPEAKER_03 25:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

Okay. Deer, correct?

SPEAKER_02 25:49

Deer and turkey.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

Okay. So I grew up in a like a hardcore hunting household. Um my dad was a professional hunter. He was a he was a guy to a ranch, you know, big PR guy. Something that I have found through my life so far. And I'm younger than you guys, but even for personal experience, the real big natural bucks in PA or damn near anywhere else, they're always deep. They're elusive. You might see them for a little bit of a time and then it's just like they disappear, and you see them the next year. They're smart.

SPEAKER_04 26:32

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

So if a white-tailed deer that pretty much causes a shitload of crashes in this state at least, a year that people think are dumb, whenever you get big mature deer, including does, they know where to go. They know how to be evasive, they know how to not be seen. Like I'll even take it a step further. Red stag. Have you guys ever seen a red stag in person?

SPEAKER_03 27:05

I have not. No.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

The only way I can describe it is like they're like a majestic animal. Like they're huge, mm, massive animals. My dad was a guide where he worked, they ended up getting some. And we're in the tree stand hunting pigs, and all of a sudden we're in the stand for like two hours. And all of a sudden, like, oh hey, that small tree limb just moved. Wait a second. Oh my god, that was a red stag staring at me the whole time. And then all of a sudden, you start realizing there's been eight staring at you the whole time. Like, I believe some of these things are just extremely elusive. Like Dan said, they they're very smart. They're not they're not out in the open for everyone.

SPEAKER_03 27:55

But is that instinctual or is it learned?

SPEAKER_00 27:59

I think it's learned. I 100% think it's learned because you don't have a deer that's born right next to a house unless it has like phenomenal genes, become a monster. You get that from like deep in the mountains, just never bothered, no strep, nothing. But whenever they know, like they learn it, like okay. They can smell, they can see. What spectrum do they see on? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 28:39

Well, I was gonna say, isn't the deer like a deer, for example, their sight is outrageous.

SPEAKER_00 28:44

Well, this is the thing, it is, but there was a theory years ago that they see in like shades, if that make like they don't see like we do, they see different shades.

unknown 29:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

So like if you're in a tree stand and the sun's behind you and you move a little bit, it would pick up on you more than if the sun was in front of you and you're like up against a tree and you move your head a little bit. That was a theory that was I I remember reading about that in high school. And like there was some sort of hunting brand that had to completely change how they made their clothes because you could see it in ultraviolet. So there was a conversation they could see in ultraviolet. But was that learned? No, I think that's just how they biologically are. But for the ones that are evasive and the ones that can actually just like seem like they disappear, I think that definitely can go along with like cryptids. I think that for however long some of these ones have been here, they know how to be elusive. 100%.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

That's fair. Yeah, they gotta be smart, right? Understanding their surroundings and staying away from high populated areas.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 30:11

Well, I think that's also come that the reason I asked if it's instinctual or if it's learned, that like any I mean any living thing has an instinct to want to live, right? It doesn't want to die. So that's why that's why I was curious as to why you guys whether you guys think if it's instinctual or if it's learned, it's probably a little bit of both, I would think.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

Yeah, I would probably say both. For sure.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

I would say, I would definitely say I think it's a little bit of both, but I think it's more learned.

SPEAKER_03 30:47

Yeah. I would agree. Because technology with hunting more advanced. I on the hunting side of things, things are with hunting are only getting more advanced, too. I mean, like, for example, when you used to have to go hunt, we didn't have all this, like, you know, there's deer urine, there's salt licks, there's all this kind of stuff that didn't really exist in as mass quantity as it does now. Like, for like, for example, sometimes you know, back in the day you probably have to harvest the urine yourself. Now you can go buy it. You get what I'm saying? So, like that's what I'm saying. Like, the learned thing makes so much more sense just because a deer, if they've smelled it enough, they can differentiate between natural and artificial. That's my point, right? Is that like that's the learned part of it, but the instinctual part of it is like, hey, I've been here before I got shot at, probably shouldn't go there again. You know what I mean? Or go about it a different way or during a different time of day or something like that. So that's why I say it's a little bit of both.

SPEAKER_02 32:00

Oh, absolutely. It's like a kid putting their hand on the stove, you know. You're not gonna do that too many times if you're smart. You're gonna know, hey, I shouldn't put my hand on that. Right. 100%. The dumb ones uh do the opposite. So they hold it there.

unknown 32:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

Well, getting off of the going back to kind of what Blake just said about the deer urine, that is such a good example. Um for years, you know how people are like, all right, you want to you want to spray all this this dope pee here and you want to put it a lot over here for the big bucks to come. It was actually studied. They'll drop a little bit of their urine like every hundred yards, every 50 to 100 yards. Not a super concentrated area. So it's like, you know, it I'm definitely still guilty of it. Like, oh, being the stand, you know, those season spray a little bit, you're allowed to do that. Cool. But you like people used to be like, oh, you just want to dump it right here in your kill zone. No, it doesn't make sense, you know.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

So what they just leave like a trail?

SPEAKER_00 33:11

Uh some do.

SPEAKER_03 33:14

Um or you could almost, I mean, you could almost use it as like a a target area. So like you would drop it in a circle or a triangle or a figure eight or whatever you wanted to do to sort of make them like hone around the same area for a while, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 33:28

Yeah, so like Blake, you guys are from Ohio. Um, you guys are allowed to hunt over bait. I've hunted in Ohio quite a few times, archery and muzzle loader, unsuccessful, but you're allowed to hunt over bait there. You're allowed to have corn piles, whatever, like that. Here in PA, we're not allowed. Um because I'm not hunting on my property, the house I bought, um, I'm still throwing out corn for the deer. But technically, this like it coming close to season, you're not allowed, but because I'm not hunting here legitimately, I'm allowed to. Um But that's the thing, like you said, they'll learn where to stay away from. What I noticed in Ohio from my hunting experiences is I always try to change my spot where I was at. Because if you have a bait pile there constantly, they're gonna know something's up. They know something's weird. Last time I was down there, I hunted right next to a cornfield, and I still have videos of just so many deer. Sadly, they didn't get in my kill zone, but just so many deer walking because I wasn't hunting over bait. That was like what I was more used to. Um but then they quickly learned though that like hey, something in that tree doesn't seem right. Like I was there for five days of hunting, and within like at the end of day two, they're like, Yeah, something don't seem right up there. Something just seems like there's times I'm not even moving, they're walking, like, what is that? I you know, that's been there for a couple that don't seem right, right?

SPEAKER_03 35:08

Like things have changed, things have shifted, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:11

Yes, yeah, for sure. And that again goes back to okay, here's a good point. Like, the thing say these certain cryptids, as we talked about, have been around for a very long time, right? Look at how much humans have changed landscapes and different, you know, where once it was a forest is now a city.

SPEAKER_03 35:39

Well, yeah, like the infrastructure, and that's what sort of what I'm talking about, is they've adapted.

SPEAKER_00 35:43

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_02 35:45

So then why like we'll take Mothman and like the Jersey Devil and some of these other cryptids, like Mothman for sure. Um, why do you think some of these are always seen around like places with negative histories, a lot of death, tragedies? Um, you know, like Mothman was spotted right before that bridge in West Virginia collapsed, killing like 20-something people, I think.

SPEAKER_03 36:24

Um he was seen before a couple other tragedies, like well, I think it comes, I think it comes back to Brennan's conversation about uh they you're dealing with two different types of of life forms, one that's malicious and one that's not. You know what I mean? Like where, you know, uh there's and it's the same thing with what we were talking about a couple episodes ago, too, and then not to backtrack or anything, but like uh an alien sighting of an extraterrestrial could be encrypted. Mm-hmm. An a sighting of an angel could be encrypted. Doesn't mean that they're necessarily there to do any harm, it's just something that's not understood or is you y you know what I mean? It it's it goes back to that, whether it's malicious or it's there to do good or whatever it's there to do. And all I mean, you could throw ghosts into cryptids. Apparitions. I mean, you could you could throw that word and that description of what a cryptid is to pretty much anything that's unexplainable. That's my point.

SPEAKER_00 37:33

Well, yeah, and like so along with the the legitimate story I'm gonna tell you guys later, there's another one I'd like to add, and Dan actually heard about this story um from my dad, and what you just said goes right in line with that. Right in line.

SPEAKER_03 37:57

Well, I think we should get, I mean, we're getting into about a forty 40 minutes of the episode, so I think we should get into sort of your first hand account and we can talk about it, because I know I've never heard of it, or you've never told it to me, or I don't know anything about it. I'm very green to it, but apparently, apparently Dan was either on the phone or or something like that with you when it happened, is that right? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

I was on the phone with him, and Brennan didn't like this is the first time he's talked about it in about over a year, I think. Right?

unknown 38:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

But he didn't want to talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

So yeah, no, I'm I'm good with talking about it.

SPEAKER_03 38:35

Like it's so so sort of regale us with it. We'll sort of let you talk and then we'll let you sort of drive the conversation as far as what you want to talk about and how far you want to go into it. So go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 38:49

Um, it was one of those things when it happened. Literally, I was I was saying, what the fuck was that? Um so I was working with Dan and I was on the phone with him, and this one I lived in my old house about 20, 25 minutes away.

SPEAKER_02 39:11

And we work second shift, so this is this is later at night.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

Yeah, this is at what around like 11 30. No, that's probably almost around midnight.

SPEAKER_02 39:20

About midnight, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

Yeah, and I'm on the phone with Dan. I get home and I'm on the phone with him, and I let my dog Harley out. Um and to try to explain it, I had a dri driveway that was probably fifty or sixty feet long, going up a little bit. Oh, excuse me, sorry. I had a big metal garage in between like next on the left of the garage was a little walkway, maybe about ten feet wide, and then there was the house. Now, to get into my house, right in front of Caddy cornered closer to the house was the cement pad, and there was a big wooden deck that surrounded my house. So you'd like take six or seven steps on the deck, and then there was a walkway to get into my house. So I let Harley out, and like every night we walk in between the garage and my house. And I used to have this old red shed where we used to keep our chickens.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

So from where I'm standing to the chicken coop or the chicken shed, whatever. There's probably about I'm gonna say twenty, twenty-five yards.

SPEAKER_00 40:42

And every night I take Carly out, we're standing there. I have my light on to see what she's looking at, and she just stops. And I mean, she has never done this before, and to this day she's never done this again. She stopped and had like she was like just staring at the shed, the hair on her back stood up, her neck stood up, and she just started growling. And I was like, Harley, what the fuck are you looking at? And I remember shining my light over the shed, and she is now like really fired up, growling and showing teeth.

SPEAKER_01 41:18

Again, she's never done that. The next thing I know is I hear a woman's voice from behind the shed. And at this point, I'm like, I think I was like, Dan, I gotta go.

SPEAKER_00 41:35

I was like, I can't remember what I said to him, but I remember I was like, Harley, back in the house now, and we slowly walk backwards. My dog can be dumb as hell. She's never walked backwards before. She walked backwards with me. We hit that concrete, I turn and ran into the house. I run in the house, I grab my AR, rack around, and I have a light on the side of it. So I run outside, I go to like where I can see in between my house. Or I'm like standing between my house, and you can see the shed a little bit from where I'm standing in between the house and garage. I hit my light, and all of a sudden, I see this black thing dart from behind my shed down my like yard. It was the sloped yard. And I don't know why, but I ran forward. I ran forward, I hopped up onto the back of the deck, and I lit this thing up with my light, and across my house was this massive field. Like I'm gonna say it was like an 800-yard field long by like 500 wide. It was huge. And at the end, there was where you could make it was like a you can go straight, which was a slight turn, you can make a slight right, or you can make a hard left down another road. After the hard left, there's woods right before another field. Mind you, it is pitch black. And I have my light on this thing the whole way running over across the road into the woods. I look through my scope, and this it was running on all fours. The next like I'm looking through the scope, it stands up on all like on its back legs, and it wasn't it didn't look like it should have been running on all fours. It turned and looked at me and the eyes were just so fucking weird. Like, you know, when I was younger spotting for animals, like you could see different animals have like very similar eyes, they're just bright. This was like the like a disgusting, like weird, funky yellow, reddish like eyes. And right when I flicked my safety off, it just boom started running through the woods, and I'm followed up. With my light and it just disappeared. I got the chills talking about it. Like it was fucking wild. And I ran, I remember ran into the house, like woke my wife up, told her what happened, and I did not sleep that night. I was like, what fucking bad juju is going on here? You know, this, that, and a third. And you know, the more I told people about it, you know, some people were like, oh, it sounds like a skinwalker, that sounds like a windigo, blah blah blah. But I had said earlier in the podcast, you know, there's never been, from my knowledge that I've found, a skinwalker in PA or a windigo. They talk about a dog man, but this didn't look like how that's explained. I don't know what this fucking thing was, but all I know is it was it was weird as shit.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

So when you saw it, what what was like your first reaction? Like, were you stunned? Were you scared? Like w when you made eye contact, you know, a lot of people say that like when they see certain stuff, like they freeze or like they're not able to move, you know, like a paralysis type of effect. What did you feel? Do you remember?

SPEAKER_00 45:15

Honest to God, when I saw it through my scope and it looked at me, it looked like it knew I was looking at it. It it was like it knew like I was really looking at it. Not like, oh, there's a light on me. And I feel like in a weird way it was like a taunt.

SPEAKER_03 45:35

Like I don't know, like some shoot me type shit or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 45:39

No, like follow me. Come on, try it. One of those. Like, the fact that like I dude, I don't know why I went towards. I don't know why I ran towards it. I don't know why I ran on the back of my porch. Like, I don't know why I did that. But I'll never forget that. I mean, I'm telling you what, for me, seeing it stand up looking at me to switching my safety off is maybe two seconds. It wasn't like it was a long period of time. It was just one of those things, like growing up, I always had a very weird like protectiveness over me. What I mean by that is like I always wanted, I've always naturally been like a protector. When that happened, I was like, game on, switch, like, you know, flip it, boom, it's gone. I'm like, fuck. Part of me is like, man, why didn't I shoot at it? Well, I was running across the field, and but then I'm thinking to myself, well, I know why I didn't I didn't have like a hundred percent clear shot on whatever the hell this thing was. And when I did, it's just gone.

SPEAKER_03 46:43

How fast would you say it was moving?

SPEAKER_00 46:52

It was definitely running faster than my dog can.

SPEAKER_03 46:55

Okay. Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 47:06

I would say it was probably around like 15.

SPEAKER_03 47:09

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

It wasn't like how tall was it? Oh, dude, this thing was like fucking seven foot tall at least. At least.

SPEAKER_04 47:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 47:26

I mean, the the tree it stood next to, when it stood up, it was like in the trees. The fucking trees are huge. Like and I'm not even talking about height, I'm talking about width.

SPEAKER_03 47:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:40

This thing was about half the size of a tree. So it looked like maybe like four foot wide, but like seven foot tall. And it looked right at me, and then boom, just disappeared. But what got me was what fucked me up was is like why was it running on all fours? And then why you get over there, you stand up. That didn't make sense to me. That's why I say good.

SPEAKER_02 48:11

So you said earlier that it sounded like a woman. Can you describe that? Like what?

SPEAKER_00 48:18

It was like a weird fucking laugh, dude. It was like a laugh. And the thing is, is like chills, dude. I thought it was my neighbor fucking with me, because I had two neighbors that were royal assholes. But it wasn't her laugh.

SPEAKER_03 48:36

It was like Was it a cackle or was it more of like a cackle?

SPEAKER_00 48:42

It was weird. It was fucking weird. Interesting. But I'ma tell you what. I couldn't tell you if it was a male or female.

SPEAKER_02 48:55

Did it like so? Did it look like it had clothes on? Did it have long hair?

SPEAKER_00 49:05

Like was it was all black. Like weird fucking elongated face, not like a snout, but like was it translucent?

SPEAKER_03 49:15

Was it opaque? What was it? Like, was it see-through or was it like a hard, like okay, like a shadow, like shadowy?

SPEAKER_00 49:25

Not shadowy. It was like an actual thing. It it looked like I was looking at some sort of weird fucking animal.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

Like a fucking weird black bear.

SPEAKER_03 49:37

Or it also it also it kind of sounds like a werewolf or something like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:44

But like, yeah, yeah. Werewolves don't do that, werewolves don't make that kind of noise, lichens don't do that. But trust me, I've looked at this shit. Like, yeah, I can't figure it out. And the only thing I've been able to figure out is like a skinwalker. And the theory goes if you acknowledge it, it'll come back. Well, I acknowledge that motherfucker, and I was waiting. For some reason, I've never seen it again.

SPEAKER_02 50:08

But the skinwalker they're not peaking. And like uh there's there's been a couple sightings and like Wendigo, Sasquatch, and Wendigo uh in the Allegheny National Forest, they're there. A lot of that's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 50:30

I'm far from here, like right.

SPEAKER_02 50:32

I know you are, yeah. But um Wendigo doesn't look like how you're describing it. And as far as a skinwalker, it yeah, it's more Navajo, so they're not they shouldn't be out here. But as far as like even the way you're describing it, they're bigger, right? Like a big wolf, like dire wolf type thing.

SPEAKER_00 51:01

And it was black. It was blacker than the night sky. I mean, it was a weird black.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

Did it have can can you do you remember like what the ears looked like?

SPEAKER_00 51:16

It looked like human ears. Like normal, like it looked like normal ears.

SPEAKER_03 51:25

It definitely sounds like a skinwalker for sure.

SPEAKER_00 51:28

The arms were like weird and fucked up and bent, and like the hands were just so long, the fingers were so long, it was fucking creepy.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

The uh the the interesting thing is you said it laughed or something, right?

SPEAKER_00 51:45

Like a cackle. Mind you, I want you guys to know I'm staring out a window right now into my yard. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:51

Yeah, like the the the mimicry is interesting, is that skinwalkers are known, and I'm looking this up right now, I'm staring at it. They tend they tend to mimic voices or loved ones to lure people and attack people.

SPEAKER_00 52:06

Well, see, this is the thing. I don't know whose fucking laugh that was. Like, and that's another thing I sat and thought about for a long time, too, is whose laugh was that?

SPEAKER_03 52:16

Like, were you able to pinpoint it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:18

My mom doesn't laugh like that, and none of my grandmother's my wife, no one on her side, no one on my side. Like, there wasn't even a person that I grew up with thinking back that had a laugh like that.

SPEAKER_02 52:31

It was just you ever look up the history of that fucking sounding evil. Did you ever look up the history of like that land that your house was on?

SPEAKER_00 52:42

Yes. And thankfully, I say thankfully, because I didn't find anything negative, but there was a lot of mines way deep below me. Like the original weld of that house was over a hundred feet deep. Because it would go through pockets of the mine. But there wasn't actual mining there. It was one of the ways to get down to the mine, I guess. But nothing ever, like, there was collapses, but no one ever died, no one ever got stuck. In like the history of that land, there's all these old farmhouses and shit everywhere back there, but there wasn't anything that I could find that lined up with it.

SPEAKER_03 53:28

As far as the shed was concerned, was that constructed or was that already on the property when you moved?

SPEAKER_00 53:34

It was already there when we moved in, but it was built when the house was built.

SPEAKER_03 53:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 53:39

Yeah, and I I still talked to the previous owners who originally owned that house. Well, I shouldn't say that. The people I bought it off of that he grew up there, his mom and dad built it. He said he remembered when the house was built. But his mom and dad passed away. That's actually when the mom passed away, that's actually how we found out about the house. But uh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:01

But nothing from the previous owners they didn't I mean, I'm not saying that you probably have talked to them about it, but there wasn't anything like that, like nothing happened on the property, like no murders or anything like that.

SPEAKER_00 54:13

My neighbors? Well, anybody that was around the property in the previous owners and the people that lived there since before they lived there and families lived there before they did originally, had never seen some shit like that.

SPEAKER_03 54:27

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 54:29

And that's where it also threw me off too. I'm like, well, how? You know, it made me question a lot of shit.

SPEAKER_02 54:36

Yeah, I mean, this is like everything that I'm looking up, just like Blake did, and everything that you're describing lines up with skinwalkers to like the animal behavior of like running on all fours, glowing or distorted eyes, mimic of human or animal sounds. However, they are not in there's no cases in western Pennsylvania.

unknown 55:02

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 55:03

They're southwestern United States.

SPEAKER_01 55:06

So this goes to my theory of evil and good.

SPEAKER_00 55:14

I have another story, but it's not a cryptic, it's with an apparition and a story that really followed along to what with what I saw. Um Dan, I told you about that. Do you think that would go along with this? Kind of.

SPEAKER_02 55:35

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, go for it, man.

SPEAKER_00 55:38

So up on my farm, um it's about 45 minutes from Clearfield, I'll say that. Like, I don't know if you know where that is. Um it's about an hour and ten or an hour and fifteen past IUP up north. Um so down where my farm is, there is a house probably five, maybe six, I'm gonna say five miles, six miles away. Um, and across from this house is a cemetery. So a long time ago that used to be, you know, where you the families would bring, you know, the dead ones would come, they would go through the system, they'd have the viewings there, and then go bury the bodies across the street. So mind you, I'm I'm explaining this to you now so you can understand like kind of what I saw. Uh the story goes, there was a woman that died. They had the viewing and there was a bad snowstorm. And that because of the snowstorm, they couldn't bury her for like a week or something. So the body had to stay in the house before it was laid in the ground. Now, when this happened, it was not wintertime, it was the fall. When I was younger growing up, all through middle school and high school, this happened in high school. Uh I had a cousin who's a lot older than me. He never really grew up doing stuff like that, but he'd always come up the farm. So he used to always go on like real long quad rides. So we're coming down this hill, and I'm in in front of him, he's behind me on his quad. And I'm pulling up to this house. And on the third story, there's a window facing like the field that's to my right that we own in the road. And I remember looking up, oh, I got the fucking chills talking about this. Holy shit. I look up through the window, and there is a woman in an old white gown, like an old school, you know, like kind of puffy white like just dress. And I like like staring, I'm like, what the fuck is that?

SPEAKER_01 58:02

And the closer I got, or initially the lady was smiling, and I'm probably like 35, 40 yards away, closing on the house. It's maybe 20 feet off the road. Be like, that's how close I am to this window.

SPEAKER_00 58:26

Like this woman was originally smiling, and the closer I got, she started like freaking out, hitting stuff, her teeth got real sharp, like just fucking evil. And I stopped my quad and I'm staring, and then this lady just starts shaking. And I turn and look back at my cousin. I'm like, Did you just fucking see that? He's like, see what? And I look back and there's nothing. The room's like there's nothing in the window, everything looks fine. And I'm like, What the fuck was that? So after I go on the quad ride, I tell my dad what happened, and that's how I found out about that story. And something similar happened to my late grandmother when they used to own the house because my grandparents had bought it at one point, and this she was in the house, she looked up the staircase, and she described the same exact woman my dad said, but she was like using her finger to say, like, come here up the stairs. Like, I dude, I I'm covered in goosebumps talking about this shit. So there's a part of me that I think that's why I feel as though cryptids are some are definitely some sort of animal, but I think there's a a correlation between good and evil.

SPEAKER_03 59:48

Well, I think you have to make that distinction, you know, when you're dealing with stuff like this, because it's very important to understand the motive. And that's where the research comes in, is that you have to know what you're dealing with. When you see something that's unexplained, you have to be able to pinpoint it to sort of know how to react. Because I I think in what you did was more of a reaction than you actually thinking about it. Like you said, you see yourself and I've been around you, you know. You do seem like that type of person. You seem like the type of person that's gonna step in front of a bullet for somebody. Especially somebody you care about. Now, if it's somebody that's just on the street, it might be a little bit different, but I think it was more I think if what you did was more instinctual than anything else. I don't think it's something you had necessarily had control over. It's just something that you you saw something and you reacted.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:44

Yeah. Now, kind of jumping ship from these two stories. I want to talk about the smelling thing that we originally were talking about with you know the different cryptids.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:56

That was gonna be my next question is did you smell anything? There was anything was there any odor in the air, nothing? No, that you remember?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:05

No, there was no smell for the one at my old house. It was just I could remember the smell of the air, and that's it. Like where I was living, like there's no cities, there's none of that. Like super fresh.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:21

And there was like a cow farm next to me, and all I remember is the smelling like just the nights night air, chilly, just no smells. But how I shot my deer last year, I smelled my deer. And when I said like I had heard a story that I thought was bullshit and one that I do think is real, I'm not gonna say who, but I knew somebody that was in the military that worked for the government. And he I I wish he was still alive. He would have loved this podcast. Um, he ended up dying of cancer, and he uh he used to tell some odd stories about these things, and one of his stories was they hunted Bigfoot out, and I think it was Nevada, Dan did my dad say. He he said he was out in Nevada or Wyoming somewhere like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:18

Yeah, I think I I think it was Nevada, I believe. Yeah, but like Area 51.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:24

Yeah, and they were you know, there was these weird sightings, blah, blah, blah. Him and his partner were on patrol, and they said that they saw a sighting somewhere, so they went to go look, and they went down to like this creek bed, and sorry, creek bed, and across this creek on the other side, he he described Bigfoot super hairy, nasty ass smell, and it was like crouched down and its head moved like an owl. Looked at them, stood up, and just disappeared. But he explained like the eyes were like red. Um that is one of the reasons why I definitely believe in Bigfoot because this guy growing up as one of the he was like the Alex Jones to my family, if that makes sense. Like, you know, oh, he's just crazy. But then some of the stories he would talk about, you know, there were some things that he talked about that ended up coming out to be real and true, um, which is for another time. But I had a kid in college tell me he ran into a Bigfoot while he was hunting or while he was with his dog in the woods, and how he explained it just didn't line up. He was with his dog, he said he smelled something real musky, and then I asked him questions. He was like, Oh yeah, that too, yeah, that too. So I'm like, all right, that's bullshit, you know. But when I was hunting my deer, while I was hunting last year, like I'm gonna say eight or nine deer were coming down the trail I came in on off to the side a little bit. Three broke off, they went behind me, and to this day, like dude, I'll I'll never forget it. It was musky. I'm like, oh that's a buck. You know, it just smelled musky. And that was a big explanation that people talked about when it comes to like Bigfoot's or yeah, Bigfoots in particular is a musky smell, like a nasty musk. And that's how I was able to know that that was the buck I inevitably shot last year. It was musky, it was still dark out. I was well, I'm like, dog, it needs to get light. I need to sell biggest deer is it just ended up eating right on the trail. Sunlight came up. I waited past the legal shooting time to make sure it was like legal shooting time, and I smoked it. But that's how I smelled it. And I definitely believe that there's a smell to some of these cryptids. One million percent. The fact that I could smell a deer, you'll definitely be able to smell something like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:54

Yeah, I mean it it makes sense. I just I also think that like with the whole like the the crypt cryptid zoologists and stuff like that, like the Bigfoot hunters and all that and just paranormal in general, um, having like we've talked on this podcast before with paranormal. Um I believe that you gotta have a if you don't go into it with respect um I think the lack of respect towards any cryptid or spiritual entity, um, you can really get fucked up. Um because they don't like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:49

Listen, I firmly believe that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:53

Um you know I used to wanna I used to like love the paranormal stuff and like Wanted to go to Alcatraz and do the lockdown thing and get locked down in different houses and now it's like I'm I don't I'm fascinated by it, I'll study it. I don't want to go and look for trouble. They can attach to you. Um I think the more you know I'm almost like with Brennan, it's like, you know, I'll do an episode or two about sp about spirits and paranormal shit or cryptids, but I think that if you talk about it too much and and you're around it too much, you are welcome welcoming them into your reality and your dimension, and that shit can drastically have implications on your life and your family that I just don't think you you want to bring in. So whenever you are dealing with it, you gotta have a respect for it.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:03

Yeah, I mean uh it there's one thing it it's one to be curious about it and talk about it, but then you get into the provoking aspect. Where I've seen that the the ghost hunting stuff where you're trying to like bring it out and make it do stuff and all that kind of shit. Like do you you gotta be you gotta be careful about what you're fucking with.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:27

Yeah, I mean asking it to turn a light on or off, or you know, asking it questions is one thing, but I mean like Zack Begins, he you guys know who Zach Bagins is. I don't. Absolutely. I know you do, Brennan. So Blake, Zach Bagans, he he uh he started off Ghost Adventures, that show that Cody and I and Alexa and Mackenzie used to watch. Um started off with just three of them, him and uh two other guys. Um Aaron and I forget the other guy. Um it was just them with three cameras. They each had a camera and they would go to these sites. They started off just posting on YouTube, and then they got this show with the thing uh I think it was Discovery Channel or Travel Channel.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:21

I think it was Discovery. I think that's what I used to watch when I was growing up.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:26

So I don't know if you've noticed, Brian, but Zach is totally different than how he used to be. I mean, his mannerisms, down to how he dresses, he talks, everything. I think that he he has been possessed. Uh and he was very cocky with these things. The uh I'm gonna botch the name, but the uh Pavoglia Island or Pavlia Island, you remember that one in Italy? Yeah, yeah, dude. He was asking like telling his demon that he's a bitch basically, talking shit, taunting it, and it's like I know Aaron and the other guy, they said his eyes completely flipped and changed, and you can see it, and it's just the three of them. They don't have a whole crew. It was those three guys, and that was it. Um now the show's different, and they got a whole crew, and I I don't watch it anymore, but I mean that's the one.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:26

I don't know if you followed the one guy, I think his name was Aaron off that show. Have you seen all the wild stuff that's been going on with him?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:33

Well, dude, he had wild shit going on before this wild shit. So his it his wife divorced him because of shit that was following him home originally in those first two or three seasons, and now, like, didn't his wife try to like kill him or hired a hitman or some shit like that? His new wife? Yeah. And then there was the couple that lived in Las Vegas that were por paranormal hunters, and they the guy killed his wife, and then he killed himself.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:03

Yeah, just wild stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:05

Just some really you fuck with the wrong shit, man. And that's why, like, if it's interdimensional, whatever, these things obviously have you know, back in the medieval times and ancient times, they called it magic or superpower, whatever. They have abilities that we don't even understand.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:26

You gotta respect it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:29

Yeah, and I think too many people don't respect it.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:32

Yeah, and after that um I I feel like it's kind of like an addiction for some people that want to really push those boundaries that don't respect it. And then you have people that do respect it that don't get fucked with.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:46

Yeah, but I all but also I think the younger generation, when you're younger, you you don't understand things and you kind of have a laughter lack of respect for that. Because if you notice, there's not too many old timers that disrespect that. It's usually the younger crowd, and then eventually they they get that respect and understand it. Um, Blake, I don't know how you feel about that, but um I mean two cents on that.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:18

The the stuff with the respect thing, I I think it I I think you're right. I think you guys are right. You have to sort of toe the line. Um you can you can mess with something, but it's like it's like if you mess with somebody in real life, right? They're gonna break at some point, they're gonna do something that's out of character, they're gonna retaliate, they're gonna do whatever they need to do to make it known that it's not okay. Um, and I think that's uh I think we experience that even at you know, if we're talking about apparitions and ghosts and stuff like that, right? The vast majority of the time, from what I understand about that kind of stuff, is that some of which don't know that they're not of the world anymore. They're trying to sort of reach out and you know what I mean, whatever way they know how, whether it's malicious or with malicious intent or forgiving intent or whatever you want to put on it, but a lot of that stuff comes from not knowing what's going on, I think. And they're trying to sort of make a connection to something that they had in a previous life, whether it's you or somebody else, or you're you're you're sort of playing the part for them, I guess, if if that makes sense. Like they're trying to they're trying to gravitate towards something that they know. And they be they become so otherworldly that they don't know how to interact with that kind of stuff anymore. So what Brendan experienced could have been something like, you know, when it stopped and looked at him, right? It could have been studying him. Like, huh, that's interesting. I remember that. You know, something to that something to that effect, not necessarily that, but like that type of idea. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:07

No, yeah, no. I I think that's that makes a lot of sense to me.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:12

I mean, like it saw you and you were pointing a weapon at it, it's like, huh. That's interesting. I wonder why he's doing that. You know what I mean? I don't I don't know. I don't know. But that's sort of how I feel about they're they're trying to tether in some form or fashion, I guess is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:31

Yeah, and I think that makes a you make a very good point with that. And that even alludes to me talking about, you know, the some of animals, some maybe paranormal, evil and good. Like it that it makes me like feel better, making me think like I'm not crazy thinking that way. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:52

Yeah, like it's like it it's the same effect as like, you know, when you play like a dog sound for your dog or something like that, and they sort of tilt their head, they're like, oh, that sounds familiar. You know what I mean? Like it's one of those things.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:06

Yeah, well, what like kind of going along the lines where you're talking about, um, this is kind of more of a paranormal story. My father, my uncle, and my late grandfather, um, my cousins have all seen the same guy up in New York where like my some of my family has property. It's always on a foggy day. It's always, you know, when it's a little bit chilly out, there's this guy in a black trench coat and a hat that'll walk out into a field, they'll see him, they'll wave at him, the guy'll wave back and just disappear. And the story goes that there was a guy who lived back there a long time ago that loved hunting and died. Like that's one of them things, like you just said, you know, coming out every once in a while on a specific time, checking things out, see if people are still being respectful. And that's the thing, everyone's always waved, like, hey, you know, guy just lifts his hand, waves, and walks away.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:10

Almost like stuck in time.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:16

Right, and something kind of like Blake just said when it comes to like Bigfoot sightings, I don't think it's necessarily that aspect. I think it's just like kind of a right place, right time for us. Wrong place, wrong time for them.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:34

Yeah. And I'll even say too, before we wrap up the show, is I have sort of a since since we're sharing sharing stories, I know Brendan, you shared yours, which I when I tell you the one that I'm talking about, I I fully respect what you saw. So like what there was a a soccer tournament that I used to play in with my sister, because my sister and I used to play soccer up until we were about 13, 14 years old. And I think it was the year prior, maybe six months prior to this tournament, um, my grandfather, my dad's dad, had passed away in a in a car accident. Um and he was yeah, so I I appreciate that. But anyways, long story short, we went to this we went to the soccer tournament to play, and it was called Nightmare at the Rock. It was in um I believe it was in Chicago, right outside of Chicago. Um and it was a Halloween tournament, funny enough. Um and it was a huge soccer tournament, and uh we would always stay at the same hotel. It was like this hotel that had like a big atrium in it. So like all the rooms, if you've ever been to a hotel that has like a big lobby, and then all of the rooms were sort of in like a square, like makeshift square around the lobby, right? So there was like a sitting area, and then there was the lobby, and then there was like a restaurant off to the right, and that kind of stuff, and then there was this huge elevator that had um play glass, so you could see the elevators you were riding up the elevator, right? You'd be able to see down into the lobby, which was really cool. And the hotel was huge, so we would always play like hide and go steak or like run around like the different parts of the hotel and stuff like that, anyways. So we go to the soccer tournament and everything's going fine, and we had I had the thing we were there for like a day or two, and I uh my grandfather always had this very distinct way of like standing. He always had he would always like put his hand on his hip so like his fist, his right arm would always stand on his hip, and he would have sort of like this lean to him, right? Like just sort of resting in place. So we're walking back to the hotel and we go up the elevator, and across the lobby, my sister said, and my my my sister's just sort of looking out of the you know, looking out of the lobby, and we see this guy and his back is turned to us, standing just like my grandfather. I'm talking like looked exactly like him, couldn't see his face. It was just his it was just his like his frame, like his body, right? And we could see the back of his head. And we went up, you know, my sister said, Hey, that kind of looked like grandpa down there, and my dad sort of stood up because my dad was very close. This is the only time I've ever seen my dad cry was when we lost my grandfather. Um, because it was so sudden he fell asleep at the wheel, and long story short, passed away. Um but my dad just sort of in the in the hotel room after my sister sort of told everybody about it, she was like, I I think I saw grandpa downstairs or somebody that looked like grandpa. It was kind of weird. And my dad just sort of like broke down and started crying and stuff, which is normal. I mean, you know, that that you know is pretty fresh. It was like six to eight months after it happened or something like that. And I remember my dad going down, it was curious, is like went down to the lobby and was like asking like the people at the front desk and people in the restaurant and people that we had been there at the tournament with. Like, did anybody see this guy? Like, we couldn't see his face. Anybody know who this guy was or see him or anything? Nobody knew nobody knew what we were talking about. Everybody thought my dad was nuts. And I saw it, like when my sister pointed him out, I was like, holy shit, that's uncanny. Like, that's just weird. You know what I mean? When you were in the elevator, and yeah, we were in the elevator, we were in the elevator going up in the elevator. We were probably like four or five floors up, and he couldn't have been he couldn't have been 50 yards away from us.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:39

Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:39

When we went up the elevator and never turned around, never changed motion. He was in sort of like a group of people, so like when we went back down, we couldn't find the group of people he was standing around, nothing. It was weird, dude. Well, it was it was it was weird. And to this day, and and you guys, you guys know how my family is, and I mean at least Danny does. Ask my sister and my dad about it. Can't ask my mom, because obviously she's no longer with us, but my mom was there. My sister was there, I was there, my dad was there, we all saw him. It was weird.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:15

And that's weird.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:17

That's sort of and the reason I say that is going back to the conversation we had about the malevolence and the and the and the bullet and and the and the benevolent type of stuff, that's what I'm talking about. Is that was like his way of showing that that he was okay and that you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:35

Yeah, and you know what? Listen, uh if I ever come back for another episode and you guys want to talk about like more along the lines of paranormal and like religious stuff, I got I got a story for you guys that'll just it's it's one of those stories I'll never forget.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:53

Well, like I said, I I think I think we should tackle the other side of it because you know we tackled a lot of like yours yours definitely sounds like something, at least to me, that was alluring. Yes, it wasn't a hey, I'm okay. It was sort of like you said, it was sort of like a taunt, like taunting. I'm right here. Like, yeah, cool. Like I'm remembering. Right, like I'm right here.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:23

Well, come get curious. Well, it's funny because I was talking to Dan I don't know, maybe a week or two ago.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:31

Like it turned around and faced you and made eye contact.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:34

Yeah, like and I I told Dan this a couple weeks ago, and I don't know if this will fall along like those lines too, but ever since I was a little kid, ever since I could remember, I felt like I was put here to fight evil. And there's a part of me that feels like I'm kind of doing that with my job now with what I do, but ever since I was a little I'm telling you guys, ever since I was a little kid, I've always felt that way. And I'm not talking about like the shit that you see on TV people call evil. Like, I don't know, it's always been like this weird thing for me. My whole my whole life I felt that way. And that night that I saw that, I think like you said, I think that's why that was my initial reaction, because I just reacted. It wasn't like a maybe I should do this kind of thing. It was just like game time. You know?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:35

Um Are you glad you didn't pull the trigger?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:38

No, I'm pissed I didn't. I'm actually mad I didn't react faster. Like genuinely thinking back, I wish I would have reacted faster.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:47

Um What do you think would have happened?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:51

I don't know if we'd be having this conversation. And I say that because I don't know if my I think my life might have taken a different path. I think if I would have shot I think if I would have shot I would have went and looked for blood. And I actually I'm glad I just said that and you said that because that was something I wanted to say is you know, me hunting my whole life, I know how to track. There was nothing behind my shed footprints. There was no footprints.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:24

That's what I was gonna ask you.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:30

Nothing, not a fucking thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:34

I mean, for something to be that big The only thing that I did the only thing that I could find was a broken limb from where it stood up. By the shatter by the tree.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:51

Mind you, definitely look during the day. Fuck looking at night, but um the the next day my when Bubba went to daycare, I stopped and looked over there and there was a broken limb. And I'm not talking about like a small ass tree limb.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:09

Yeah. Well, I mean that's uh that's that's a crazy story.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:19

Well, it's not something it's not sure it's not something that you want to revisit. So I I think we can speak for both of us and all three of us that we appreciate you sharing it. Because it's that kind of stuff, like even uh even I even I had a little bit of goof goosebumps telling that grandfather story, and it wasn't even close to that. Like you know what I mean, it was kind of the other way, and that's why I sort of wanted to bring it up.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:43

No, listen, I I'm cool with it. I've come to terms with shit. Like, I'm good, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:49

Yeah, I I I don't have any uh cryptid experience. Um plenty of paranormal experiences. Blake knows uh at my house growing up. Um bunch of friends of ours had experiences there, but no cryptid. Um we had a cabin up in Tyanesta. Nothing up there. Uh I go camping up there occasionally and haven't had anything yet. Don't really want to. Um it happens, it happens. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:31

Where we went, you and I. It didn't feel bad. It didn't feel weird.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:38

No. No.

unknown 1:25:40

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:40

It felt good.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:41

Yeah, it felt like a good area. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But there's there's some I guess there's some places and trails that I would be on riding the ATV or walking or whatever. Like I guess there would be like some feels, but I never saw anything. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:03

Like I never like something was looking at you.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:07

I kinda like you're being watched a little bit, I guess, maybe. I've had that feeling a a handful of times, but um You know, again, you're out in the woods, it could be a deer looking at you, it could be a bear, it could be anything, but um you can get a sense of like and I've had enough experiences at the house my dad's old house and property of feeling and like negative energy. Like a not good like I've that house had good spirits and not good spirits or whatever you want to call it. And there is a distinct different feeling you get in the air. Breathing, your breathing just gets almost like difficult to breathe. Haven't had that too much in the woods, maybe a handful of times, but never saw anything.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:06

It's like a feeling of it's like a feeling of dread versus a feeling of like calmness or yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:12

Yeah, it's like it's like the fucking Dementors in Harry Potter. Yeah. You're just like this, like you're never gonna be happy. No, you just feel like you're never gonna be happy.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:22

Shit gets cold, just doesn't feel right.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:24

No, doesn't feel right. You're like, you know, that's like that intuition shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:29

Have you guys ever been to the 9-11 memori memorial where the twin towers were in New York?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:34

Yes. No, I have not.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:38

Whenever I went there in high school for my trips, that's the uh just it I wouldn't say it was cold, but like you step onto that concrete and all of a sudden it just like comes over you, just like you're not happy, you're not you're you're kind of sad, but not super sad. It's just weird. As soon as you step off that like concrete It's like different. I I don't know how to explain it, but you explaining it like that, I know exactly what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:07

It's like a weight.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:09

Yep. It feels like a weird weight. Kind of going to the back to the Zack Baggins thing, you know. Look at all the shit that all the wild taunting shit that he would do in the places he felt like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:23

You know?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:24

Like I don't know. Um one thing uh kind of going off that though. I don't know how long you guys want to do this. Do you guys know that place out west that has a lot of electrical interference and shit, but they always see like allegedly skinwalkers?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:42

I think I know what you're talking about. Oh, the skinwalker ranch?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:46

Yes. And how people like you're saying, like if you're driving down the road, look at people's feet.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:54

Yeah, that's yeah, I think that goes right along those same lines. I mean, not in the feed aspect, but like the weird electronical field things. Like, yeah. Some people go, maybe it's the government, but maybe it's deeper than that.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:10

You know, I mean, they say that Mothman was a government experiment.

unknown 1:29:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:18

You don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:18

Well, look at the I mean I mean, look at the different stories from everyone. Look at the people that live in app like near the Appalachian Mountains. Like, I can't tell you how many times I've seen like reports or videos of people saying, you know, oh yeah, we lock our windows and doors at this certain time, pull the blinds down, we don't talk about why, but we always do.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:41

Yeah, and like you don't you don't go out uh in the woods past uh dawn or uh dusk. Like do not go out there. Um and the amount of missing people. Well I'll tell you something.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:57

What? Do you guys know where Waverly, Ohio is?

SPEAKER_02 1:30:02

Waverly, Ohio.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:04

It's south.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:06

Is it like south by like West Virginia?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:09

No, it's um Kentucky? Yeah, it's south down towards that way, I want to say.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:16

Like Cincinnati, Kentucky area?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:18

It's south-south, like south as shit. That's where I used to muzzle loader hunt in Ohio. And there's like a big military base there. Um first of all, you drive down like the road where these mountains are and there's fucking explosions everywhere from meth labs. But like I remember talking to some people down there and they were talking like, yeah, back, you know, apparently before the military used to own that, everyone knew not to go over there. It was always weird. Shit would always happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:56

Funny enough, that's how they came up with the idea for South Park. South Park was a place in Colorado that Matt and Trey Parker knew that weird shit just happened. It's funny, it's it's a funny concept, but it sort of goes along the exact same lines as like it was one of those places you didn't go because weird shit happened all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:15

So you're telling me, man, bear pig right fucking might really be real?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:18

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:19

Cryptid, brother.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:20

Easy. Yeah, cryptid. So wait, hold on. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:27

Hold on. I'm gonna forget this. I took a picture of this earlier. Um, because I actually it's so fucking weird. This came up on my uh TikTok. Um I don't know. I definitely believe that um things listen to us, but anyways, there is something called a s a skewonk in Pennsylvania. Um I'm gonna read this to you guys. This is a legitimate cryptic cryptid that's in PA, apparently. A shy and ugly pig like creature with warts and moles that is known for constantly crying. It lives in the hemlock forests and is said to dissolve into tears when cornered.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:08

Um just sounds like a woman who's a Pittsburgh Steelers fan.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:19

Oh, oh. You watch it.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:24

I'm just saying there's some interesting creatures. We'll call them cryptids here.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:29

Um but I think what we'll do is we'll probably we'll probably wrap up. We're at an hour and a half. But as I said, running that kind of stuff, the stuff with my grandfather gave me goosebumps too. So I appreciate you sharing the story. It's it's probably not something that you want to revisit, but at the same time, it's it's interesting to talk about. And the the the first hand accounts versus like stuff that's really like I guess fleshed out, like Bigfoot and stuff like that. You take it at face value and you're kind of like, yeah, being bullshit. Like you saw something, you saw a really big like bear or something and just want to play it off, but like right. It's it's different when you're talking about stuff that you see just remotely or like people that have firsthand accounts that you've never heard of before. It's it's interesting. So I appreciate you revisiting it.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:16

And also, like Br Brennan's actually go like goes into detail. Well, like it's eyes, it's like yeah, like just like very in detail, and his story hasn't changed when he's told. Seriously, it's shit that I can't forget. I got a question for each of you, real quick, before we end this thing. Blake, what is your favorite cryptid? My favorite? Yeah, if you had to pick one that's like your your favorite.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:53

It's a good question. I'm gonna ask you the same thing. I don't know if would werewolves qu qualify. That's a cryptid. Yeah. Um that's definitely a cryptid. But yeah. No, but I think werewolves are interesting because the vast majority of werewolves are exactly what I was talking about, is they don't have the ability to change they don't have the ability once once they are bitten by another werewolf or have some kind of mark from another werewolf, they don't have control over what happens to them. And I think that's interesting because you look at lore and certain types of movies and books and stuff where people are able to overcome that and they can sort of fight it in that kind of stuff. But I think it's interesting um that you can sort of go between uh and it comes back to the whole conversation of like a certain time of day, you know, full moon, right? Um but I think it's interesting because it's not necessarily what they're trying to do, it's just what they've sort of adapted into. You know what I mean? They don't want to be vicious, they don't want to kill things necessarily. It's just they become something other than themselves. So that's probably my favorite one out of anything I can think of off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:16

Okay, Brennan? What's your favorite question?

SPEAKER_00 1:35:21

This is gonna be a wild reason why, but I'm gonna say like Bigfoots and Yetis. Um that was my nickname growing up when I played football. Because I was so hairy. Um but I think the reason why I I I actually do kind of like Yetis and Bigfoots and stuff is because they're just big ass things just trying to live, man. They're just trying to as Joe Deerte would have said, keep on keeping on, they're just trying to live. They're not trying to be bothered or trying not trying to fuck with anyone. And I think I think they could definitely be vicious. But it's more like a sleeping giant theory in my head. Only because, you know, you don't ever hear stories about at least I've never heard stories about a Bigfoot attacking somebody or things of that nature.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:21

There's never been a Bigfoot anyone killed by a Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:25

That's what I mean, like so like I I think that's why I kinda like 'em. It's 'cause they just kinda chill out.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:34

Doing their own thing. What about you, Dan?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:38

Um so I was never really into the cryptid stuff until much later on, probably in the last like decade. Um, I would say probably Skinwalkers or Mothman. Um I'll go with Skinwalkers. Skinwalkers are just because of you know, Mothman's only been around since that that's been around since like 1960. Skinwalker's been around for hundreds of years because of the Navajo. Um just really interesting. Um and that show that Brennan mentioned, Blake. I don't know if you've ever watched it. But The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch, I mean, you hear the stories there, and there's so much that that goes on there, and that's Indian barrel grounds and ancient land. Um it's it's just kinda I don't know. It's for whatever reason the Skinwalker just kind of fascinates me. Um But again, like Brennan said, it's it's like an uh uh energy thing. Um it's supposed to be a uh demon spirit. So it's definitely not a good one. Um I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:06

Well, I think how we'll end that I think how we'll end the show is probably just going back to the respect thing. Like, no matter what we're talking about, is that have respect for people's opinion, have respect for stuff that we don't know about, and have respect for the fact that it's maybe we're not meant to understand it. Maybe that's the whole point. Maybe it's something maybe it's something that we'll figure out when we get to the point of no return and have to, you know, maybe that's maybe that's what and it's a wild concept. Maybe that's what's after this is you know the reincarnation type of thing. Maybe they're just reincarnated into something completely different. Whether it's malevolent or you know, depending on how, you know, because there's all sorts of statues that you can point to for that kind of stuff, and what you come back as is if you've lived a quote unquote benevolent or or malevolent life. You you're you're you sort of reap what you sow type of thing. I think that's an interesting way to end the show. So um Brennan, we'd love to have you on in another episode if you want to come back on. I'm more than happy to have you. Like I said, I I think I speak for both Danny and I and say thank you for regaling us with the with the story. Um, like I said, I I know it was sort of a a tense subject for you, but we appreciate it. It gave us a lot of content and gave us the ability to sort of extrapolate the conversation, so I appreciate it. I'm sure he does too.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:34

Of course, I appreciate it so much. I love being on, guys. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:38

Yeah, but we're gonna go ahead and end it. We'll have it up on uh Spotify as soon as we can. I'll probably edit it tonight and it'll be up tomorrow morning. So um, anything else you guys got before we sign off? Nope.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:53

Thank you guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:54

Uh, you know, like the episode, share it, subscribe, and also shoot us some comments, maybe some topics that you guys would want us to talk about. Um, you know, we'd love to hear from our listeners.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:08

So but yeah, we'll end it on that. Gentlemen, again, thank you, and we will see you guys on the next episode. Take care, guys. See you man.