Paranormal Activity: Beyond the Veil

In this episode, we dive into the world of paranormal activity—what it means, where the idea comes from, and how it shapes the way we see the unknown. Along the way, we share our own real-life encounters with the unexplained, from chilling moments to experiences that made us question reality itself. Join us as we explore the eerie, the unexplainable, and the stories that keep us up at night.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:54

Everybody, welcome back to uh Obscuracast. We have uh interesting topic for you guys tonight. I know we've been sort of on the tip, at least uh last episode as well. Uh we went over some cryptid stuff and sort of that kind of thing. And we're gonna take a little bit more of a turn towards the the paranormal and sort of like the otherworldly side of things rather than something physical or something that's um actu actually within the physical realm, more the metaphysical realm. But as always, I have my man Dan O'Neill with me on the podcast. How you doing this evening, sir? I'm doing good. How are you? I'm good, man. So I know that uh we we both, I think, both can comfortably say that we have uh a belief in in life after death, and something does happen to us, regardless of what you believe. There's there's both the both of us have sort of an inkling that there's something after death and something that we sort of go to afterwards. Um where do you stand on that? Like, are you full pressed to say that the ghosts and apparitions and things are real? Like, where do you stand on that? Do you think it's do you think it's more of an energy? Do you think it's actually like an actual physical ghost or like a metaphysical ghost? How do you where where do you sort of stand on that?

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Um, I don't think there's one answer. I don't think it's just one thing. Uh I think it it it could be a couple different things. I think that the energy one for sure. Um I think that you know it could just be a high energy moment in time that's just kind of stuck in like a real you know, like a time lapse. Um but I also believe that uh you know there are souls that are kind of stuck here. Um if they have something that maybe they're trying to find out why they passed and they just can't let go. Um you know, I think I think those are probably the two uh biggest one, and then there's also um you know it could be interdimensional as well. I know we talked about interdimensional with the cryptids and and you know We also touched on a little bit in our first episode with stuff like that as far as being like interdimensional or you know, the laws of metaphysics and that kind of stuff, so yeah, and and it very well could you know that could be it too. I don't know. None of us know until that time comes. Which I hope isn't for a while. Right. Um be both, you know. I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 3:39

Um I think that's what and and and to that point, I'll just stop you for a second. To that point, I think that's what a lot of people are afraid of. Is that we there's no definitive proof. There's a lot of different stories, a lot of different ways of going about circling around that idea of once you pass away, once you leave here where you go. Um, and I think or or or if there's anything after it, right? That's the other side of the coin, is that maybe there's nothing. You know, there's there's like, you know, the atheist is is is the extreme of the spectrum, and then you have all these different sort of sects of religion and stuff that believe in, you know, different things, and what happens to you, whether you come back as you're you're reincarnated, or you go to heaven, or you go to hell, and all of that stuff, I think is what's really scary about that whole ordeal and going through that. You know, you and I both have had family members, obviously, that have taken that trip, right? Mm-hmm. And it's I think that's what scares people the most is it's just unknown. We don't have a definitive answer.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

Yeah, I mean, that's the that's like kind of human beings to the core, though. We're very afraid of what we don't know. Right.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

And when we do, we try to make sense of it.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

It's the only way you stay sane.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

Yeah, absolutely. I think there's a lot of people that have had uh, you know, NDEs, which is near-death experiences, and they kind of all say the same thing, like it's like the white light thing and all that kind of stuff, and like there really is a a heaven and a hell and stuff. I don't think it's necessarily the pearly white gates and whatever. Um, for all we know, heaven could just be a you know, talking about interdimensional, it could just be a different dimension, and hell could be a different dimension. Right. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Yeah, that's like but that's that's the thing though, is that you don't that this is what it all circles back to is that you can't know for sure.

SPEAKER_02 5:48

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

But I I know I know we sort of wanted to get into the paranormal stuff, so like there's a lot of stuff that say there's a lot of swinging towards the fact that a lot of this stuff is benevolent, it's not all or uh malevolent and ambitious and evil. That's not all necessarily that you're dealing with with apparitions or just people that have passed away in general, whether they're an apparition or an energy or whatever you want to point it to. And I think that's sort of what we get into with the with the religion stuff, and what happens afterwards is that like I said, people try to make sense of what they can't figure out. And I think that's why they center on the fact that there's sort of two extremes with that argument is that it's either something that's evil and out out to get you, or it's somebody trying to make contact with you that is passed on to let you know that they're okay, or something to that effect. Would you agree with that?

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Yeah, yeah. I I think it could be a memory too, though. I really do. I think it could be like an energy memory. Um, you know, something like that. Um there's I've had experiences which we can get into a little later in the in the show. Um have you ever had like a I know we talked about the the thing that happened uh with you and your sister and your family with your grandfather at that hotel, but um have you ever had like any paranormal experience at all other than that?

SPEAKER_01 7:20

Like, I wouldn't say I wouldn't say definitive evidence where I was like it you know, a lot of people that experience that stuff, they tend to be shocked by it, right? They tend to be like um it changes them in some way, whether it's minuscule or or not. Um I would say probably the what I could contribute to one that I've had for sure was when my mom passed. Um what I do remember is I was there, she was in hospice for about a week, and I was I I I s I kept pretty good contact with all you guys, Johnny, you, Paul. Um and I remember when it happened like I still think back and like I I I I remember when it happened and she passed and everything happened with her CPAT machine and all that kind of stuff, or or uh yeah, her CPAP machine or whatever was helping her breathe. Um I remember when that alarm went off, I remember that. I remember the noise. And then it was once once they once we turned that off and there was no noise, there was l it was literally you could hear a pin drop in that room. Um like I I don't even remember being like I remember being sad that I knew that it was just over, right? Like I it it's it's done, right? But I was also at the same time so relieved. Yeah, like and I didn't and and most people would be like, oh my god, I felt relieved that my mom died. No, that's not what it was about. I was happy that she was just done.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

Not in pain and not so it was paying anymore.

SPEAKER_01 9:20

It was over, she was on to somewhere more, hopefully better. I I I'm not a praying guy, but at the same time, like I was just thinking in the back of my head, like it's got she's gotta be somewhere better than this after all of that.

SPEAKER_00 9:36

Yeah. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

But I yeah, I it just it was it was an odd it was an odd experience, but what I would tell you is that once I sort of came, you know, came to my senses and was like done crying, at least for the for the for a little bit, um, I remember just looking over at her and it was just I've never seen something so still. Like it wasn't my mom anymore. It was it was she wasn't there. No, it's just a vessel. Well, that's what I'm saying, is that like that was probably my biggest thing as far as like experiencing being there for somebody's last breath. And that was it. Okay. I I see what I see what you mean. Like there was there was no like it she was there and then she wasn't. Mm-hmm. It was we it was odd. And I told I remember l talking to my sister like an hour or so after after I'd called all you guys and let you guys know and was waiting, I think I was waiting for Gina to show up because she ended up leaving work. Um I remember talking to my sister, I was like, Did you feel that too? She's like, What do you mean? I like when when she went, it was like stone silent in here. She's like, Yeah, it was it you can't explain something like that, like how quiet it got. It was weird. Yeah. It's oh but that that that is probably the only concrete thing that's happened to me where I was like, it really sort of took me back and like made me like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 11:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get that. Now, like here's my question for you. Okay. Do you like do you want to have a paranormal experience?

SPEAKER_01 11:33

Like, do you I mean Does it intrigue you or are you like it's a great question? Like, it's a great question, and to answer it because I sort of know where you're going, like, would I go on like a ghost hunt or something like that? The answer to that question would be yes. Okay, but at the same time, I'm not looking for trouble. If something if I if I go to something like that, I'm not looking to provoke. Yeah. Like, I'll go somewhere and I've been places like we've all been to memorials, right? Like, I was standing in, I was standing in the middle of Gettysburg. I didn't feel uncomfortable there. It's because I wasn't after you know what I mean? Like, I was there for the simplicity the simplistic vert or simplistic reason for the same reason when I went to Israel that we talked about.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

Did you have any weird feeling when you were at Gettysburg though? Did you have any like stand on your skin moment?

SPEAKER_01 12:31

Like not really. I mean, I I guess because it was like it wasn't an enclosure. It's a little different when you're in an enclosure, like a building or something like that, versus being there during the day? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

Yeah, I don't think you can I don't think you're allowed to be there at night.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

I think they have like strict rules where you can't you you gotta get permission.

SPEAKER_01 12:53

I was gonna say that I mean like there's so many statues there that if like defacement's a thing, like all that kind of stuff, vandalism, I would ex I would expect they have pretty strict rules. Like if you're caught, you're you're not in a good spot.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

Yeah. Um I've never been to Gettysburg, want to go to Gettysburg. Obviously, that place is a big paranormal place.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

Well, yeah, but like I'm talking about like if you were in like a like a military quarter or something like that. Like that's what I'm talking about. Is if you're in like a con a concealed building where like people were and like intermingled and all that kind of stuff, it's a little bit different than being out in an open field. Not to take away the gravity of the situation, but what I'm saying is is I felt more comfortable outside than I would have like in an enclosure. I guess if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

Oh yeah, one 100%. And they like they see apparitions everywhere, they see apparitions in the battlefields, they see apparitions in the buildings. There was a lady that got killed because there was a gunshot that went through like her the fucking window, and she was cleaning the dishes and killed her. So that's like yeah, like she was just an innocent civilian that a stray bullet happened to hit the fucking window and killed her. Um and they say that they like they see her spirit. Uh there's a I know there's a picture of her, and then people will literally say that like they see her in that house.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

They actually see her there.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

I mean, like, to to answer your question a little bit differently about like have I had any paranormal experiences? Like, I've seen stuff out of the corner of my eye that's made me double take that I know that nobody's in my house or anything like that. Now, could that just be a shadow, a car coming up the driveway, whatever? But I have seen certain stuff like that, or weird stuff has happened where like a light's gone out or like a light's flickered or something like that. If that's what you're talking about, I think we've all experienced that. Yeah, no, I'm you you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, you're talking about something like an actual like I see somebody sitting in my room or something.

SPEAKER_00 15:05

Well, I've never actually had that. I've had paranormal experiences. I've never had that. Now I found out about I'm gonna say a little bit after dad passed away. I went I stayed with my my dad's sister, my aunt Shirley. And she told me a story about that, the house that I grew up in. Uh for everybody listening, my house very well known to be pretty uh haunted. A lot of paranormal activity there. Live behind a cemetery, so that was fun. Um anyway, my aunt told me that Blake, do you remember the guest room next to my parents' room? Yes. The one that I slept in all the fucking time.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

Oh, not the purple room, the gold room. The one that's next to your parents or the one that's across the hall?

SPEAKER_00 16:10

The one that was right next to it, the bathroom's right there in the hall.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

Okay, yeah, I never stayed in there. I stayed in the other one, the one across the hall that was next to your room.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

Right. Paul stayed in that one. Right. I mean, he really slept downstairs in the basement on the couch, but you know, that that was the room dad gave him was next to them.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

So was a tough couch to stop on it was a tough couch not to sleep on.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

It was a tough couch not to sleep on. That couch was a glove. Um she stayed at the house one night and she was staying in that room. Okay. Your aunt this is your aunt, Shirley? Yes. Okay was a like a rocking chair in the corner of that room. She said that she woke up around like three o'clock in the morning. Interesting. Yep. Uh she woke up around three o'clock in the morning, and a woman in an all-black dress and veil was sitting in the chair rocking, just staring at her. Fuck. Mm-hmm. Didn't say anything, was just sitting there rocking and staring at her for like a couple minutes. And then she said she turned over, and then she looked back, and then she was gone. She got up. There was no one there. Like, it was very weird. And I never I didn't hear that story. My dad never told me about that. My mom didn't tell me about that. I found out about that story uh a couple months after my dad had passed away when I stayed with I was went over there and stayed the night with uh my aunt Chirley and Uncle Chris.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

She alert she she she alluded that to you.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

She told you that? Yeah, she told we were yeah, we were talking about the house and just like stuff happened at the house, and like she was like, Oh, I had an experience. So I was telling her all the crazy shit that happened with me and you know, Cody and all of our friends, even Paul. Um, and she was like, Oh yeah, I you're there was definitely something at your house. I was like, Oh, really? She's like, Yeah. I was like, You had an experience? She's like, Oh yeah. Uh it was an experience. It was an experience. Well, here's what's really fucking crazy, okay? So she tells me that story, okay, after my dad passes away. Um, my daughter's mother, at the time, you know, we were together, uh, Leanne and Alexa are in that room leaning out. My dad had you know, dad had all of his suits and dress shirts in that closet. Yep. They saw a woman in all black in the closet. Swear to God. And they didn't know about that story. I didn't tell them about that story, and they said that they saw like they like kind of screamed for a second. I'll never forget because Paul and I were downstairs. And uh my daughter and her sister were downstairs with us, they screamed. Paul and I came running around, we're like, what the hell's going on? Uh we just saw a woman in black. And I'm like, what? What do you mean you saw a woman in black? Yeah, right by the closet. And I told them that story that my aunt said, and they like Alexa needed to take a minute. She had to leave the house.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

It was crazy. Not unwarranted. I'd have fucking screamed like a five-year-old girl recess if I ever saw some shit like that. Fuck that.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

Yeah. Woman in all black. And what's crazy is having lived there my whole life, I never saw a woman in black. Yeah, I my aunt saw it, and then those two saw it. Yeah, that would be some crazy shit.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Really weird. That would be some crazy shit for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. She came and woke me up because apparently I was like tossing and turning in my sleep. Like it was. I'm not gonna get into it because it's really fucked up. Um just just for the sake of out of respect for your dad.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

Um Yeah, but it but like, is that like paranormal? Or is that just like the thing?

SPEAKER_01 21:04

It was it was like like that's the thing, though, right? It's like where do you draw the line? Is it something that I don't know. I that that the that's the only reason I bring it up, though, is because that's like the closest thing I've had to like a an experience that really freaked me out. Like I was like, like that changed my whole perspective on some shit. You know what I mean? Really? It rocked you that hard. It was pretty I I that utility room was really tough for me to go into after that dream or that nightmare. Because it just felt so real. Yeah, it was like it's kind of like that, you know, it's kind of like the Matrix thing where you don't know if you're awake or still dreaming type shit. Like it was like a lucid dream. That's what it was. It was a lucid, it was a lucid dream. So I was like, I know this is not real. I need to wake myself up. Like this is there's no way that this is happening. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. I knew I knew instinctively that I was like dream I I don't know, it was weird. It was it was It was weird. And it really and it really threw me. Like I never looked at your dad any different or anything like that. But it it was weird, man. Like I woke up and started like sobbing. You can ask Kelsey. You can ask my sister. She's the one that woke me up. I think she was with um. She was with one of her boyfriends at the time. I can't remember who it was, but um yeah, they came and woke me up, and I literally like jumped out of my skin. Like I like sat up in bed and like I it was it was it was it was pretty it was pretty crazy. I I can't lie. That's probably like if you're talking about scary stuff, like stuff that freaked me out about like met like metaphysical or like something that I wasn't con like technically conscious, I wasn't like awake for it. Like that's probably that's those are the two things my mom and that that nightmare I had was pretty was pretty crazy. It was pretty life altering, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

Yeah. Um I mean who knows what all that is, right? Like well, that's what I mean. Is it is right, is it your mind playing tricks on you?

SPEAKER_01 23:11

Is it foreshadowing something to a certain degree, or you know what I mean? Like you you you just don't know.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

Yeah. But um Yeah, those are the two that rock me pretty hard. Yeah. As far as like paranormal at at dad's house that I experienced, I was gonna say, yeah, you might as well I mean we're gonna talk about the house.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

We might as well give give some real world examples because I I've never true I I was always I was always more frightened by the stuff that you guys talked about because just I mean, just being in a in a house by yourself is creepy enough, you know what I mean? Because you're so much more hyper focused on what's going on versus people being around you or like you're doing something and you're alone, you know what I mean? Like just being in a house and just sitting in silence, it's just eerie.

SPEAKER_00 24:01

That house was just eerie too. It was it was big and it was dark, it didn't matter how many damn windows that house had, it was just always dark. Well, as you were just surrounded by woods, that was part of the problem. Yeah, yeah, and I mean, you know, that street, it was a great Halloween setting. Oh, yeah, it was like it was creepy at night.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

And you had that long creepy at night, that long circle driveway, too, that led up to the circle, and yeah, it was just yeah, if you stared at the house, you'd be like, holy like, you know what I mean? And it's not even anything that was auspicious or like really stood out about it. It was just it was kind of a just a creepy location.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

Yeah, yeah, it was kind of creepy. Um, you know, Dad when I lived there when I was younger, there wasn't a lot of uh paranormal stuff that really went on. There was my dad had an experience at the house when his dad passed away.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

My grandfather I remember you did tell me about that, but you could sort of if you want to sort of get into that, that's kind of an interesting story.

SPEAKER_00 25:14

Yeah, so when my grandfather knew that he was dying, and my grandfather believed in life after death, and my dad, you know, this is in the 90s, um, my dad believed in it too, and they were trying to figure out a way to communicate um if there really is life after death, you know, ways that he can communicate so that way he can tell them, like, hey, yeah, like there I'm here, there is life after death. So my mom was actually there. Um she witnessed this conversation. And my dad told my mom and my dad told my grandfather to they wanted him to break something in the dining room. Okay, remember the dining room had that wall of like the mirror wall. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

Yeah, you're talking about the one you're talking about the one that was in the dining room to the right. Like if you went into um through your kitchen through that like swinging door, is that what you're talking about? Yes, it was off to the right where all the stuff was? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

Yep. So that room, that's the dining room. There was a chandelier in that room, okay? And my dad told my grandpa to break it. And my grandpa was like, I'm not breaking your chandelier, and they got into an argument about it. My dad's like, I don't give a fuck about the chandelier. I'd I just want to know that you're you want to know that and want to want to know that you're okay. Yeah, like just break the chandelier, send me a sign, break the chandelier. He's like, I'm not gonna break the chandelier, but I will, I will, I will do something in that room. Um, and my dad had, you know, um, anyone that knows me growing up, my dad had he collected artwork and antiquities, ancient artifacts, and some really, really cool shit. Some really cool shit, dude. Like cool shit. He had some he had John Lenz Harmonica. My favorite that was my favorite. That was that was pretty cool. He had a lot of he was a collector.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

The the other one, the other one that I love that your dad had was the Alice in Wonderland first edition signed by the author. That shit was crazy.

SPEAKER_00 27:28

Oh, yeah, yeah. The the lithograph. Yeah, that was good. Um that was a good one. So he had these two pictures. You remember when you walk in that room, he had that like that case that showed the antiquities and stuff? There were two pictures that were on the wall on either side.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

Yeah, because one was by your dad's your dad's commendation from when he was in the Marines. I do remember that. Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 27:53

So this was like this had to be like 92, 93, I think. My grandpa, I think my date my grandpa died around like 1993. So anyway, my grandfather passes away. And they have the uh they have the wake and the funeral, and then you know, Irish funeral, everyone comes over, and you send you celebrate life, you throw a party, you drink, you have fun, you it's a celebration of life. That's how the Irish do it. Um my dad had a bunch of family and friends over the house, and it's you know it's like two o'clock in the morning, and my mom, my dad, they you know, they get into bed. My dad said he was kneeling by the side of his bed praying, because my dad always prayed every night. Um my dad was a big uh Saint Jude guy. He always did St. Jude prayer, and uh you know, always prayed to Jesus. In the middle of his prayer, he heard this loud crash, this huge bang crash downstairs. He's like, What in the fuck was that? Gets up, goes downstairs, and one of the pictures that was on the wall in that dining room was on the ground and the frame had broke. And I mean those pictures had been up there for like 10 years. Never moved. Okay? He's like, What the fuck? So he puts it off to the side, goes back upstairs, 15, 20 minutes later, boom, another big crash goes downstairs. The other picture on the other side of the wall, opposite wall, fucking crash, big broken frame. He's like, What the fuck is going on? Puts that picture off the side, and uh I think a week later, my dad's laying in bed one night, and he goes, Holy shit. And my mom goes, what? He goes, the paintings. That was my dad. Communicating. And my mom like was like, holy shit.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Yeah. Your dad was your dad was very, very heavy into, especially later in his life, very heavy into setting himself up for when he did, you know, uh experience that. Um he was always very adamant about the fact that he was going to be able to communicate with us. So that story makes sense, I guess, is what I'm getting at. Is it sort of traveled from father to son where he was very adamant about the fact that he wasn't gonna be absent from our lives, you're gonna see him in certain points. And he's gonna help us with with certain things. And the first thing I said, first thing I said to um my dad when he when he showed up after my mom passed, is said I bet Mr. O'Neill was sitting there waiting for and cracked her a beer.

SPEAKER_02 31:07

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

I truly believe, I truly believe that.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

Yeah, um, I mean I my I heard my dad tell that story about uh a lot about that, you know, time that that happened. So that that was the only experience that like my dad had told me about about the house and it had to deal with my grandpa. Um my dad collected a lot of shit, right? Like I told you, like you know that. Yeah. Um one of the things that I've done.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

Hell, we did it, we did a we did a on our graduation night, we did a shot out of a 2,000-year-old chalice, for God's sake, bone chalice.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

No, that's not, it wasn't bone, it's alabaster. Oh, that's what it was. That's what it was. I still have it. I still have it. It's downstairs, wrapped up. I have it.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

Oh yeah, and our graduation night graduation night from h from high school, we all did a shot out of this thing.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

It's a uh ancient uh Sumerian alabaster uh chalice. Yeah. I have that still. It's downstairs. It's older than the uh it's older than uh the time of Christ. It's crazy. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

Just another Tuesday for the O'Neill family.

SPEAKER_00 32:31

Yeah, just another Tuesday. But when things so here's here's my theory of why a lot of weird shit started happening when we were in our late teens, early twenties, and I guess that.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

This is the other thing, too, is the reason I don't have a lot of I don't have a lot of scope on this is because the vast majority of when the stuff was going on, I was away at college, so that's why I can't speak to a lot of it, but go ahead. I just want to give that you were either at yeah, I just want to give that context.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

You know, yeah, you were you were away, you know, doing your basketball thing either college or playing pro basketball overseas, but I mean, you know, I told you when shit happened. Well, of course.

SPEAKER_01 33:17

I mean, you and I we talk about this all the time, how much contact we kept, even though we were eight hours apart. Oh, yeah. Talk constantly.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

Yeah. Um I also think back then you were a little more close to it. You really didn't you didn't give it a lot of thought back then. You're not you're much more open-minded now than you were then. Like you didn't really get into this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

Well, I was so preoccupied with other things too.

SPEAKER_00 33:44

I mean that's part of it. Yeah, well, yeah. And uh, because like, dude, you were around my house all the time and you never really had an experience. Right.

SPEAKER_01 33:52

And a lot of times that shit, it's like somehow I feel like I somehow I feel like I like missed it. You know what I mean? Like it would happen and I would be like a s a day later or something like something like that.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

I mean the problem is is that if you don't if you don't believe in it, it's not gonna fuck with you. Yeah. Now if you don't believe in it and you call it out, it will fuck with you, which I had some people do that. But all this happened. I I can tell you the event that I remember that really made all this weird shit start to happen, and it's literally like something out of a a fucking 2000s, like I won't say horror movie, but like psychological thriller movie. We were there was who was it? It was me, Cody.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

Oh, you know what? Before you get into that story, I have no Alexa was there. I was gonna say I I I have had a paranormal experience with you. I have. Really? Yes. Please tell say it. I'll go back to the story. Go ahead. So you go ahead and say it. The one I remember is the the horror movie thing you just talked about. Like sort of jogged my memory a little bit. Okay. Do you remember the night we were watching the autopsy of Jane Doe? That movie about that it was like Emile Hirsch, and it was about the the two morticians. It was his father and his son.

SPEAKER_00 35:32

Yeah, I remember. Do you remember the do you remember the movie? Yes, I do.

SPEAKER_01 35:37

Do you remember at a point in the movie when the TV shut off? Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah, that was weird. That was that's probably the only thing I can point evidence-wise that we were watching something like that, and there was no like TV, like we turned the TV right back on. It was like the power went out, nothing. Yeah, TV just said, you know what? Turn it off. Not today. Not today. No, but that not up in here. No, but that literally that that was creepy as fuck. Because if anybody like nobody knows the extent of how dark your basement would get. If there wasn't a light on, it was pitch fucking black, and there were no windows. The only windows were basically covered by the outside.

SPEAKER_00 36:25

Yeah, the two windows were the two, yeah, they were the where the big screen TV used to be.

SPEAKER_01 36:30

Yeah. Yep. Those were the only two windows, and they were pointing towards the woods. So even if there was some kind of light, it was like it was like dusk light.

SPEAKER_00 36:38

It was like you barely, you barely got any light there.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

But I will tell you, your basement, well, for for obvious reasons with the nightmare I had, but your be your your basement scared the fuck out of me. Because it was just it was nothing but like like I very like unless I didn't know you were there, I did not sleep in that basement alone. I'd go upstairs and sleep on the couch. I just I refuse like maybe that's part of it too, dude. Maybe that's part of it too, is that like I'd have that inkling like you're talking about with like the the stuff hanging, or the stuff uh the hairs on the back of your neck and stuff like that. I would get some feelings. You just uh no no no no no no no I've felt like the pins and needles and stuff like that, but that was like that that necessarily like I'm talking about actually like seeing something or just having the feeling. So if that's what you're talking about, 100% I've had that feeling. 100% without a doubt.

SPEAKER_00 37:37

Okay, then yeah, you you kind of experienced it like um that basement, like it was a finished basement.

SPEAKER_01 37:47

It's not it wasn't it wasn't like it was like it made weird noises or like it well there were that house made noises, don't get me wrong.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

That house was loud as shit at night. That added to the creepiness of that house.

SPEAKER_01 38:02

Yeah, there was a lot of cracks in that house, like coming down the basement stairs. You couldn't sneak up on somebody coming down in that basement who yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:10

No, no, no, no, there's never gonna be a murderer at that house because you could never sneak kill someone.

SPEAKER_01 38:16

Yeah, like if you if you weren't like I'm a pretty I'm like as you guys know, or people that have listened to the podcast in previous times, I'm over seven foot. I am very soft footed for a seven foot guy. I like not sneaking up on someone. No, not a not a but that's my point. Not a shot. Like, if I'm coming down those stairs, you knew it was me coming down those stairs. Yeah. Like if you tried anything, but like if you tried anything faster than like a walk down those stairs, if you were like huffing it down those stairs, somebody'd be able to hear you outside. The bitches were loud. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

And we'll talk about the stairs a little bit later. Um, but I can literally trace back to when like all the fucking weird shit happened.

SPEAKER_01 39:07

Like where it started, like the like yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

Yeah, yeah. And I'll tell you when and why. Okay, it happened when we were like fucking 19, 20 years old, and I'll never forget it. We were in the basement, and I had a party with some people. There was probably 20 people over the house, but there was like four or five of us. Like everybody else is like outside by the pool and shit, and there's like four or five of us downstairs in the basement, and you know, we got some some fucking weed, and it was probably some like Reggie shit weed, whatever, but it was it was a couple of us, and I forget exactly who was there, but do you remember that the ceremonial Native American ceremonial tomahawk that my dad had that was also a peace pipe? Yes. Yeah, we smoked weed out of that.

SPEAKER_01 40:08

Interesting, okay.

SPEAKER_00 40:10

And I honest to God think that when we smoked weed out of that, we opened up a portal. Because as soon as that fucking night happened, there was just weird shit would happen all the fucking time. Um, like I got scratched, Cody got scratched, Paul was sleep, you know, Paul, even though dad gave him that spare room that he could live at the house, that spare room was where my aunt saw the lady in black. My dad said Paul could stay in that room. My dad gave him a bedroom. He never slept in there, very rarely. Paul lived with us for like two years. There was a whole fucking week that he slept upstairs in that room. And my dad was like, fuck's wrong with Paul. And I told my dad what happened later, but it like it took me two nights to like realize that like, dude, what are you doing sleeping upstairs?

SPEAKER_01 41:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

Um and I'll I'll try to sometime we'll have to have Paul on here to tell the story. But what happened was he was laying on the couch downstairs in the basement. Okay, and at this point, we we remember a chic, the dog that we had? Yes. Samoid. Yes, I remember. He was passed away at this time, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

So there was no dog I remember a chic.

SPEAKER_00 41:38

Yeah, there was no dog. Okay, dog's gone. He was in the basement and he the the fucking TV was on, but he didn't have the sound on. Um I think he had like a the video game pause or something. Something was paused, or there was no whatever the TV was on, but whatever. He heard a growl come from the back of the basement. And he said he ran up those stairs like he was a five-year-old kid running from a monster, and he slept up in that bedroom for a week straight. He wouldn't go downstairs unless I went down there with him.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

I would say I would say the most uncomfortable I felt in your house was definitely the basement. Mm-hmm. I didn't really I mean Yeah, I I can't remember another room in that house where I was like uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_00 42:43

Yeah, I got Cody got scratched a couple times, Paul got scratched, I got um, I actually got that like sleep paralysis slash like I got held down. I got held down and like to the point where like I was awake. Without a doubt, I was fucking awake. I was not asleep. Um I was trying to get up, I was trying to yell, and I couldn't. And this thing was like on top of me holding me down for about three minutes. And I had marks, and then um one of my ex-girlfriends, um, you remember Natalie? Yeah. Okay, you know how she like did not believe in that shit? She was like, that is horseshit, that's the biggest crock of bullshit, didn't believe in paranormal, paranormal stuff at all.

SPEAKER_01 43:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:40

She like called that shit out a couple times at the house, and I was like, You are really playing with fucking fire. Like, you don't know what you're doing. She called that shit out, and I'll never forget she's she's drunk and she's calling it out. Like, if you're actually here, fucking show yourself, don't be a pussy, blah blah blah, all this shit, and I'm like. Oh oh boy, oh boy, here we go. I go to work in the morning. She didn't have to go into work that day. So she's in my bed. I'm at work at the office. I get a call like 10 30, 11 o'clock in the morning. She is crying profusely. And I'm like, what is going on? Long story short, this thing fucking held her down. And she couldn't yell. Same thing that happened to me. This thing fucking held her down for like three or four minutes. And dude, she never fucked with that shit ever again. And then what and it was like Paul wasn't a big believer in this shit, and when he had his experience, like once you fuck with it, you don't fuck with it anymore. And once you fuck with it and it shows itself, it is like it opens up a whole cane of worms.

SPEAKER_01 45:06

Yeah, like you have to as much as you have to have some respect. That's exactly what I was gonna say. It's a respect thing. It's that like you have to it's like somebody passing away and like you know, not taking it to heart, especially if they're a close, like personal friend, relative, confidant, whatever. Yeah. You just have to like respect the fact that they're not here.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 45:33

And uh not not go to the extent of trying to be like a a provocate, you know, like somebody to provoke it. You know what I mean? Like if they're there, like you said, the vast majority of stuff that people deal with is just some something trying to reach out. Mm-hmm. Now if you provoke it, it's like bul you're basically bullying it. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's it's different.

SPEAKER_00 46:04

And and I I honestly do think that when we smoked that peace pipe, we opened something. We welcomed it. We welcomed it. You know what I mean? Um whether it was good or bad, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:17

I totally agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 46:19

Yeah, both. I think it was both because there was an instance. Um, remember our friend Kevin who passed away? Yeah. Yeah, he had an experience there. Um, a paranormal experience. Um that like really fucked him up. Um it was a good one. I mean, it it was it probably like at the time saved his life. Unfortunately, he's not with us anymore, but um he was super drunk and he wanted to jump off. We were all inside the house, and he went out by the pool by himself, and he was gonna dive into the pool off the diving board, and there was uh all of a sudden out of nowhere, an old man appeared by the side of the pool and said, I wouldn't do that if I were you. And it scared the shit out of him because this guy came out of nowhere, and Kevin like looked and then looked at the pool and then looked back, and this dude was gone. He left my house. Like he left the party. He just got in his truck and drove home, went home. And the next day he came over and he sees a picture that my you know the picture of me sitting on my grandfather's lap and my dad's next to us. Yeah. Remember that picture? Yep. He saw that picture and he goes, Who the fuck is that? I go, that's my grandfather. He goes, that's who was by the fucking pool last night. Interesting. I was like, that's wild. You know, Kevin never met my fucking grandfather. Right. Um so yeah, it was that was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 47:58

And then I remember I was gonna say if you were gonna talk about a story, if you're gonna talk about a story that's uh that's not neither neither here nor there as far as being benevolent or malevolent, um, you could tell the the um book on the floor story after you tell this one.

SPEAKER_00 48:17

Yeah, I'll tell that one. Um after this one. So the uh the Kevin thing happened, but then there was this weird I remember dad it it was dad was here for this one, so it was dad, and I know Cody was there, and Bill was there. I don't know if Paul was there, and I don't think you were there. Um we were watching, it was it had just come out. It was a documentary called DMT, the spirit molecule, and Joe Rogan actually is like the narrator for it. Um it was a documentary on DMT, and it's the DMT is called the Spirit Molecule. Um which you know we can get into that later if you want to too, but Last Off. Yeah, probably better for a different episode. We can talk about that on a different episode, but we're watching this documentary on spirit molecule. All of us are in the fucking living room, okay? All of us. They get to the part where they're interviewing these people and they're talking about death. And these people are like, I bel you know, I fervently believe that there is life after death after my psychedelic experience with this. I believe your spirit moves on. You know, you can go to different dimensions and different, you know, universes and blah blah blah. As we're watching this, and it gets to a very quiet part. You remember how quiet that house would fucking get? Yeah, I do. You remember how loud that basement door handle was when you turned it? Oh yeah. Yeah. The latch on that thing was loud as fuck. Dude, we heard all of us, my dad and all of us heard the fucking basement door handle turn and then the door open.

SPEAKER_01 50:23

Yeah, because that door creaked like a motherfucker, too.

SPEAKER_00 50:26

Yeah, and we all are looking at TV, we all look at each other, and then look over there. And then it was like it was a good 45 seconds of just looking that direction. Like we paused the fucking movie, looked over there, and then it was like, Okay, who's gonna go fucking check it out? And my like Cody went to go look, and my dad's like, just ignore it. Don't do it. And we finished watching the documentary, and like, dude, it was just weird. After the move after the documentary was over, like we went downstairs, nobody was there. There wasn't, you know, and no, there was no window open, the AC didn't kick on. There was well that thing latched.

SPEAKER_01 51:17

It wasn't like it wasn't like it the wind could have blown it open. That thing was latched, like it was an actual door handle.

SPEAKER_00 51:24

Yes, it was crazy. Um but the fucking the book the book is a crazy story. So um for any of our listeners, uh Ghost Adventures was something that like me and a couple of our friend group, a couple friends in our group, we would watch uh early on. I'd I watched the first like probably four seasons, five seasons, and then trailed off because it started to get I I liked it when it was just the three of them, they each had a camera and that was it. Now he's got like a whole fucking crew and all that, but um we were watching Ghost Adventures, and it was Mackenzie, and I believe Alexa, and then Cody and myself. I'm pretty sure that's who was there. My dad was out of town, he was in Michigan for a business trip, for a work trip, and it was I'll never forget it, it was it was Amanda Green's uh, I believe her 21st birthday. Because we all went to that big arcade place after this happened. Um there were actually two fucking things that happened. Two things that happened. The first thing that happened was we're watching this one of the Ghost Adventures episodes, and all of a sudden we hear this super fucking loud bang noise. Real loud, and we're like, what the fuck is that? And uh you know, pause the TV, get up, go in the dining room, there's nothing there, go in the library, there's nothing there, kitchen, nothing. All of a sudden, uh Cody opens the he's standing in the hallway and just opens the garage door and he goes, Alright, you gotta fucking come over here. I was like, what? He's like, dude, just come here. Do you remember that light sky blue ladder that had the yellow like top seat stuff? Vaguely, yeah. It was like a blue, short blue ladder, okay. That was laying in the middle of the garage. My dad's car wasn't there. You know, but he had like stuff like hanging up on the walls and stuff, the you know, stuff for the garden and the house, you know, normal shit you keep in the garage. Um this thing's laying down in the middle of the of the fucking garage. The garage door is closed, nobody fucking opened it. That garage door was so loud we would have heard it if somebody went into that fucking garage. Okay. Not only is that thing laying there, there is a drag mark. It's not like this thing was on the wall and then fell or slid. Like this thing literally, you can see drag marks and then just drop. And Cody's like, what the fuck? I'm like, dude, I don't know. And you know, Kenzie and Alex are like, oh my god, they're getting all worked up. We're like, I'm like, listen, I I don't know what to tell you. So just let's go finish our TV show and you know we'll start to get ready in a little bit for uh this birthday party. So I think fifteen, twenty minutes later, another another loud noise. I wouldn't say as loud as the ladder, but a significant like noise. And it sounded like it came from the library room, which was the room right on the other side of the living room where we were watching the the show. And uh I go I go in there and there is a book on the ground. And the book I go and I pick it up, and I mean it's not like it is significantly on the ground, it's not like it's on the ground right next to the bookcase, like or like propped up like it fell or yeah, no, like it is on the ground, like a couple feet from the bookcase. And no one in that house was in that room. We were all in the living room when we all heard that. And there's n like there there's just no fucking way that the way this thing landed it like if it accidentally had slid off of the shelf, I don't think it could have possibly rolled. Not to mention the fact that living in that house for thirty something years, this is the only book that ever fell off of a shelf. Okay. Um I pick up the book and it is the secret teachings of S of Plato. Okay? It's the secret teachings of Plato.

SPEAKER_02 56:41

Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 56:42

So I grab it, and uh I'm like, that's weird, and I put it on the table, and uh I open up the book, and it's got my grandfather's name on it and stuff. It says 2 Thomas J. O'Neill. I call my dad and I tell him what happened. He's like, oh, uh, yeah, that was your grandfather's book. He's like, you know, when a book falls off a shelf, that usually means that like somebody's trying to tell you that like it's a sign to read that book, like you're meant to read that book. I'm like, oh, okay. So, you know, cool. Books on the table, we finish watching the show, we start getting ready to to to go to the birthday party. I think that was a Friday night, Friday or Saturday night. My dad gets back from from his business trip. And it's like the the next workday, it's like Monday, I think. It was like Monday or Tuesday. I could have swore it was Monday. And I'm like, hey, what's up? He's like, Did like did you do this? And I'm like, what do you mean did you do this? He's like, did you s did you send me an email like trying to like joke with me? And I'm like, no. He's like, would any of your friends is like they don't know your work email. I I was like, Dad, I don't even know your fucking work email. I would have to go get one of your business cards to go do that. He's like, Alright, I'm like, why? What's going on? He's like, I'll show you and uh I'll show you and Cody when I get home. I'm like, okay. He gets home and he shows us this email. Now the email is from like a broken link. They couldn't trace where it came from. The title, the subject line for the email said my book on the floor. And then in the email it said, Hello, where is my book? My dad had their IT guy try to trace this to see who sent this, and it was untraceable. My dad goes, Where's the book? Because we were in the kitchen. Um, I go, the book, uh, I think I put it back on the shelf. He goes, go check. I go to the bookcase, I'm like, uh, it's not there. I go in the living room. The fucking book is sitting on the table in the living room. Never put it back.

SPEAKER_01 59:36

And you had put it on the table previously, correct? Oh yeah, I put it on the table. Never touched it. The dining room table or the table the kitchen table?

SPEAKER_00 59:45

No, the the dining room table. It did the book didn't move. What's crazy is that you get an email from this unknown whatever saying, hello, where is my book? And I never put the fucking book back.

SPEAKER_01 59:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:01

Weird. Yeah, just a little bit. Weird. Um really weird.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:11

So that I mean that that that's kind of crazy that it would be sent to your dad, too. Like you're the one that enter if you're the one that interfaced with the book in the first place.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:20

Why wouldn't it just my dad's work email?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:25

Yeah, it's like it'd be if it was a g if it was just Gmail or something like that, I could say something probably fucked up happened, like still doesn't exp still doesn't explain anything but a private email address. No, being a tech like a private work. Yeah, like being a being a tech guy, that shit doesn't just happen. Like somebody would have to have like know where he worked and all that kind of stuff, and like I'm sure you guys uh sure you guys are where your dad worked. That was that was when he was at Wonderlook, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:56

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:57

So they would have to know where he worked, like if their emails are what what naming convention their email is, if it's like D O'Neill or DA O'Neal or you know, whatever. They would have to know all of that in order for it to be like an outside source or somebody that didn't know external or like internal details.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:18

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:18

They would have had another they would have had it on their research, is my point.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:22

Yeah, absolutely. So it was just my you know, and like my grandfather worked on uh he literally worked on the lunar landing module for the uh Apollo missions, and uh he had a hundred scientists and PhDs working under him. My grandfather was a genius. So if anybody could figure out how to communicate through an email in the afterlife, he could definitely figure that out unequivocally, without a doubt. Super intelligent. Well, yeah, that was a that was an absolutely wild, crazy experience. Um I had a speaking of going to places, okay. So you know how I asked you earlier, like do you do you would you go to like um Mansfield Reformatory or like a place to go see you know try to see if you can have an experience? You know how I asked you that earlier?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:26

Yeah, I wouldn't, but but uh even go further, I wouldn't even go by myself, even with a guide. I'd have to go with like a group of people.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:34

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like a group. Okay, cool. Um I saw on Ghost Adventures, there was an episode. Um, what the hell was it called? I think it's called like the White House. It's called the White House of Jamaica, and it was an old plantation house. And um it's super haunted. The lady that owned the plantation, evil, evil woman, killed a lot of slaves that worked there. She would she would fuck them and then kill them, and like it was she was a horrible fucking person. So um, she's called the White Witch, and they did an episode where they got locked down at this place, okay? And my dad took me and uh his girlfriend slash my stepmom and my my stepbrother and I, and uh his girlfriend's sister um on a cruise. And one of the places we were stopping at was Jamaica. Well, we decided to go to it's not the White House, it's the White Hall. The White Hall, I'm almost positive. Rose Hall. Rose Hall, got it, got it locked, figured it out. God dang it, holy shit. Whoo! All right, the White Witch of Rose Hall, holy shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:14

That one took you for a ride, didn't it? Holy shit. Well, back to the fucking story.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:18

I'm trying to tell the story, I'm also trying to figure it out. So whoo, all right, good, got glad we got that off the chest. So, anyway, my dad's like, hey, we're gonna be at Jamaica. Why don't we go to Rose Hall? And him and my mother had been there like in the fucking 80s, uh, when they were on on vacation in Jamaica. My dad used to go to Jamaica a couple times a year, he loved Jamaica. Um, he was like, Let's go to Rose Hall, and we're all like, Alright, cool. And I'm like, fuck yeah, let's go. So we go and we do a tour, and you know, it was. I don't know if cool's the right word, um, just because of how much like you could say it was interesting that it was like you could say it was an interesting, it was intriguing and interesting, um, you know, educational, it was eye-opening to see like the conditions and stuff, and just the brutal tragic history that was there. I mean, you want to talk about like negative energy? That's definitely uh a place that stores negative energy. Um anyway, my my uh I call her my aunt, my Aunt Renee. She there's this one, the main bedroom, okay. She took a couple pictures, and on the one wall there was a mirror. And I took pictures of the room as well, and several other people did. Didn't notice anything. Tour's done. Get back to the boat or the ship. We're at dinner. We're looking at pictures and stuff throughout the day. And all of a sudden, I'm almost positive it was my aunt's phone that took the picture. It wasn't me. But several people have like the same picture from the same angle and didn't have this. In the mirror of the picture, there is a African American male standing right next to my aunt. Like next to us. In the mirror. And there's no one standing there. And I have like the same picture, and there's no one there. Interesting. Um when we left for the next like, we got back from uh that cruise ship, and there was like one bad thing after another after another after another fucking happened to like pretty much everyone that was on that tour with us in our group. It was fucking weird. And my aunt, she worked, she was a she's a nurse at Cleveland Clinic. One of her co-workers, she can see spirits. And like she was from like the Caribbean, like where they're into like voodoo and like all that shit. Yep. And she could like see spirits, and she literally looked at my aunt. Look like she's standing in the hall in the hospital. She looks at my aunt, and then she looks behind my aunt. My aunt turns around, there's no one there. And then she looks back at her and she's like, What's wrong? She's like, Did you go somewhere when you were on vacation? And she's like, Well, yeah, she was telling her all the spots we visited, and then she said, you know, we went to Rose Hall and it's haunted, and blah blah blah. She's like, Yeah, you have a zombie attached to you. She's like, What? She's like, You have a zombie attached to you. And she was like, You you need to come over my house this weekend, and we're gonna get rid of this thing. And she did whatever, you know, white magic she did, and like just all the bad shit stopped.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:40

Yeah, that would be like my that's that's that that's kind of the shit I'm talking about, too. Like, that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about that would really flip me. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:50

Oh, it was it was crazy. Like, you know, that's why I I when I was younger, I don't I I I think you most youth don't respect it, and I know I definitely didn't respect it as much as I should have. I definitely respect that shit now. Like I don't even really like talking about it. Um, because usually whenever I do kind of talk about it at length, like shit just kind of happens. Yeah. It's almost like, you know, just like don't talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:28

It's like manifestation and that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:33

Yeah, I mean, like that's uh just like the story about the nightmare I had like great granted, I could probably talk about it, but it just makes me uneasy. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:44

Yeah, no, you don't have to.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:46

No, I'm not saying I I'm not saying that like I've I've I experienced it, I talked to people about it, it is what it is, and I I don't need to read any more into it than I need to, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:58

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:59

And that's just one of those things where like not that I'm afraid of what's gonna happen if I do talk about it, or like I I like put it at the forefront of my brain, or that kind of that kind of thing. It just it doesn't I don't know. It's it's it's not so much that I'm scared, it's just that I have the respect that we were talking about, you know what I mean? Like I feel like bringing something like that up like constantly is it's kind of uncouth. You know what I mean? Well, yeah, but but at the same time, it's not necessarily just welcoming, it's just out of respect for like a lot of people experience stuff like that and don't want to talk about it, and again, it comes back to a respect thing that like if it changed you to the point where like it makes you uneasy or you're not comfortable talking about it, you probably shouldn't open your mouth. Yeah. Because you're just whether you're inviting it or or or not, it doesn't matter, it's a respect thing. It's like it happened, it was it was an interesting experience, but I I got what I needed out of it, and I don't really need to flesh it out.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:13

Like nothing's happened since then. I'm not really scared of anything happening, but at the same time, I have the respect factor. And I I think that's not a bad way to end the episode, too, is that like I think that like if you're gonna fuck with that stuff, you gotta have respect for not only you know, because it all it also happens like you were talking about how like horrible things happen to people.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:41

Imagine all that shit happening to you and then somebody trying to antagonize you about bringing it back up.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:47

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:48

You know what I mean? Like that's what I'm talking about, is that like you're especially if it's something violent or grotesque or gruesome, part of afterlife is being able to wipe that all away and get rid of it. You're bringing up something for somebody or something that was traumatizing, and you're gonna lash out to something that you don't fully understand or don't know what it's fully capable of. You have to have the respect factor. You can provoke and do whatever you want to do, but at the same time, you gotta know when to stop.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:29

Yeah. 100%. 100%. Um, it's interesting too because they have just recently in 2016 um scientists actually observed a uh I forget what whatever camera they were using. They observed when someone passed away like light left. And then they've also observed um that there is this is proven now that there is a uh there is a brief flash of light at the time of conception. Interesting. What's even more interesting and it's like how how could they have possibly fucking known about this shit if they didn't have the technology that we had? How do they know about it? Is that light, the light at conception and the light going out at death, that is talked about in ancient Egyptian text, Roman, fucking Sumerian, like all the religions talk about it. How the fuck do they know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:06

That's yeah. How? Unless they saw it, not through recordings, but actually saw it happen. Through something else. Yeah, or just saw it firsthand or or just saw it first hand.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:21

You can't see it with the naked eye. Oh, okay. Well that that trumps that one though. Yeah, you can't see it with the naked eye. So how the fuck do they did they know about it?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:31

Well, they also had they also had stuff like you know that like stuff is reflecting, right? So then maybe they saw it through like a vessel, like a diamond or something like that, a piece of glass, something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:42

Maybe.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:43

I don't know. It's just it's crazy. Yeah, it's interesting to think about. All that stuff is you just don't want to mess with it if you don't know what you're doing, I guess is my point. And if you do mess with it, you need to be prepared for the consequences. I think that's that's that's what a lot of people lack, is that they think nothing's gonna happen, nothing's gonna come out of it, and they're just free to do whatever they want, nothing bad's gonna happen. It's not always not always the case. It's like it's like you're not yeah, it like again, uh we keep coming to the respect thing, like no, know what you're getting yourself into. If you don't know what you're getting yourself into, why bother?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:20

Yeah. Well, and that's kind of why I asked you, like, would you ever want to go to one of those places? Because before you know, like I always wanted to go, like, I always wanted to go to a spot that was that was haunted and have like an experience, and at the time, like I didn't, you know, I didn't see anything weird, but it doesn't it doesn't necessarily have to happen right there. I didn't realize that spirits, good and bad, can literally latch onto you and follow you. I didn't I never knew that.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:55

And it's also it's also to that extent, it's also something that travels with you. It's not like it just says you you move into a house, right, that's haunted and it and it latches to you if you leave or move. It follows you, it follows you.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:13

Yeah, so that's like you know, I haven't really had anything happen here. Um I had some stuff happen at the apartment when dad first passed away that I really do think was him. Um I haven't had anything knock on wood happen here. Um but you know, the like knowing now that that chicken like latch onto you and travel, I really don't know if I wanna even go go to like man, like go to Mansfield Reformatory and like go to some of these places. I just don't need any I I don't need any bad negative juju following me back. And what's crazy is after that happened I started thinking like you know how many fucking houses you and Bill and Paul and I moved. Yeah, that's yeah, like you go into somebody's house, you don't even think about that, you could bring something back with you.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:28

Not even fucking move it. 100%. How many how many times I've moved with you guys and nothing happened to me? Right. Yeah. Yeah, it's like I said, and I I guess the last words I'll say for the podcast, I'll let you obviously say your piece if you want to say anything else, but like I said, I think when you're dealing with stuff that you don't understand, or or it's just gotta come down to the respect. Whether it was good, bad, indifferent, however, they passed away, whatever happened, you have to respect the fact that they're no longer here. Mm-hmm. And that's jarring. Like, think about the like think about it like this. If I walked onto a football field, I wouldn't know the first thing about how to play, right? Like an actual football game. I'm not like that with basketball because I understand it, I've done it for so long and that kind of stuff. Attribute that to literally quote unquote leaving this world, going into something completely new and completely separate from everything you've known, and then on top of that, if it was negative how you passed away, on top of that, somebody fucking with you about it. Yeah. It's a it's a heavy thing. It is. So I I guess what I would say is that uh I I can't tell listeners what to do, I can't tell you what to do. Just have respect for people, man. J just have respect for the fact that they're no longer here. We don't have any control over it, we're all gonna meet an end. The problem is the time of day and place, and that kind of thing. Just respect people, dude. If you're gonna go do that stuff, don't make it about you necessarily, make it about the experience and take what comes at you. Don't try to manifest things and make things happen that you don't uh fully understand the extent of what you're doing. That's the last thing I'll say.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:37

Yeah, I'm I agree with that. Um, you know, it's it's it's something that you have to have to respect and uh I do believe in life after death, you know. I've done enough I've had enough psychedelic experiences, um to where I you know I do and and studied enough stuff and and between different religions and just different experiences and and studying you know um all that stuff and then hearing people talk about their experiences. I I just I do I'm convinced that there is life after death. What does that what's the definition of like what is the life after death? I don't know. I d I know it's definitely not this type of life. It's uh I think it's uh astral life after death, it's a spiritual life after death, you're you're not gonna have a a physical body. Um but I do believe your spirit is real, that's a real thing, and it lives on. 100%. Um, you know, and like another thing, like a different, you know, thing you could get we can get into in a different day is you know, like reincarnation.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:05

Yeah, I'm really fascinated by that.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:08

Yeah, because there's some serious evidence of that.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:11

Yeah, it's like the walking around in somebody else's body type shit. Yeah, it's crazy. It's odd. Yeah. Um, yeah, but yeah, I I think we'll wrap it up there because we're about an hour 20, and we're trying to keep this about an hour and a half, hour and 45 for you guys, so it's not so much to digest for you. Um, there might be some episodes where we have some people on that are gonna be two hours, so just possibly be prepared for that just because we're gonna have more dialogue. We're gonna have you know at least one extra person filling in the conversation and things like that. But uh all in all, the episodes that we've done, I I've I mean we've only done what four so far, Dano. I think this is gonna be our fifth one. This will be the fifth one. Um as you guys can tell, like uh every episode we try to make it engaging. We try to sort of share real life experiences, we try to sort of give you guys context of not just talking about this type of shit, but we've actually been through it. Um we've had things happen to us in our very short lives on this earth. I mean, we're in our mid-30s, we're not, you know, we're we're not hopefully close to that end, but I think the biggest thing that he and I can probably agree on is the respect thing. And I know we've sounded like a broken record with that kind of stuff, but no matter what we're talking about, we're always gonna bring respect, at least for my part. I'm sure you probably agree, you can disagree if you want to, but I think I would be able to speak for you that the the respect thing, no matter what we're talking about, is paramount. Um we want to make sure that we tell both sides of the story, no matter what we're talking about or debating. Um but it's important to bring the respect factor because if you don't respect people, how can you have a constructive dialogue? That's that's just how I personally feel. How do you feel about that? Yeah. It just it it may it makes sense to have the if you're gonna have a dialogue, especially about something you disagree with, you have to respect the other person's opinion. You don't have to agree with it, you don't have to think it's right, you don't have to think it's anything. Yeah. The the objective of any conversation to should be to explore the conversation.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:29

Yes. And have an open mind and respect. You don't have like you don't have to agree. Um that's okay, like that's what makes us human. Well, it's what makes it fun, you know. Makes it fun. You know, you can have different idea, uh, you know, uh ideas and beliefs and whatever. Have a discussion and be respectful, state your point, and just be able to talk. And that's the whole point.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:56

And then you leave out the door you came in. Call it a day.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:02

Any anyways, but like I said, um, we're gonna be doing these, we're gonna be trying to do them every week. Um, just because we have other stuff going on in our lives, like you guys all do. We'll try to do it as quick as we can and on as tight of a schedule as we can. Um, but I hope you guys are enjoying the episodes. I'm I'm really liking these episodes. We get down to a lot of really cool stuff, and we have a bunch of people. Um, you guys heard Brennan on the last episode, he's one of our really good friends. Um we have people aching to get on this podcast and wonder what we're doing with it. So we're gonna try to bring you guys some diversified content and get some people on here that have some different perspectives. And again, like I said, just have a dialogue, have a conversation, and see where it takes us. So I hope you guys are enjoying it. Um, I know Dan always says this, so I'm gonna do it for him. Um, make sure you guys uh if you guys do have the ability to share these with your friends, family, you know, close affiliates, something like that, that would be interested, we'd really appreciate it. Um we're we're pretty adamant about the stuff we talk about, and we don't want to, you know, we want you guys to enjoy it. So if you guys also have any topics um that you guys want to bring up that you want us to talk about, like I said, we're not gonna do stuff that's completely off cuff and that's insensitive and that kind of stuff, but we'll we'll try to do the best we can. If you guys do suggest some stuff, we'll just keep it you know, we'll keep it respectful. Um but anyways, that's gonna be the end of this episode. We'll be we'll like I said, we're gonna try to get back on a weekly schedule or weekly rotation of these. So um, but it will be up on Spotify as usual as soon as we get it uploaded and cut and everything. It's not like I said, it's gonna be a long cut like every episode uncut for the most part. Um But yeah, we'll have it up as quick as we can, and I hope you guys enjoyed the episode. We'll be back and uh talk to you guys soon. Thanks, Dano. Appreciate the time, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:52

Yeah, you too, man. We'll see you.