Inside the Pyramids: Fact, Legend & Mystery

Step into the sands of time as we unravel the enigma of the pyramids. From ancient engineering feats to myths of lost knowledge and hidden chambers, we dig into what makes these wonders so captivating — and why their secrets may never be fully solved.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Hey everybody, welcome back to our sixth episode of Obscuracast. I have as always my co-host Dan O'Neill with me. How are you doing this evening, sir? How's things? Uh, doing good. Doing good, man. How about you? I'm doing alright. So I know that uh last episode we touched a lot on paranormal stuff. Today we have an interesting topic that I think begs a couple of questions, and we're getting into it pretty pretty deeply. Um we both did a little bit of side research before we started the episode, just sort of brush on what we sort of know about our topic of tonight. And tonight we're getting into pyramids, Dano. Um, yes, we are. Uh, and we're also gonna get into a little bit of Egyptian culture as well. I know we wanted to sort of throw that in there because Egypt is probably, if not one of one, one of, if not the best example as far as pyramids are concerned, they're probably the most notable pyramids, other than probably the the Mayan and Incan ruins. Um there's also one that's probably the most prominent, and I think the coolest thing about the misconception about pyramids is the ones in Egypt aren't even the biggest ones in the world. I think that's the coolest thing that a lot of people probably don't know. Um and they're scattered, you know, on all four corners of the earth. I think that's the other really cool thing is they're not centric. Um, a lot of people I think a lot of people would believe or have the notion that Egypt is the only pi place with pyramids. It's not the case, it's actually the farthest extreme from the case. Um they're everywhere. Uh I don't have an exact number, but I think the research that you and I did, I think they they said somewhere in the couple of thousands. Um like tens of tens of thousands. Yeah, like a couple hundred thousand or so. And they're like I said, they're scattered all over the place, and there's also been a lot of misconception and a lot of theorists that talk about the fact that they're not just there by happenstance, they're not just there because they're there. Um I think that notion is really interesting. As always, you know, on Obscura Cash, we try to play both sides of the coin and look at things from a different perspective. So I know we've talked on some of the episodes too about the Sumerian culture and that kind of stuff, and what extraterrestrials have in relation with gods and that type of thing. So a lot of people attribute the the pyramids as to be a way to communicate with things that are otherworldly. How do you feel about that? Do you think that's found in fact? Do you think both sides could be right? Do you think it's something that's one-sided? What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 3:38

Um, I think that the pyramids, at least the the pyramids in Egypt, the Great Pyramids, I think they were definitely not burial uh chamber. Like I don't think they were used for burials for the kings or anything like that because they're to this day there's never been an actual burial uh found. There's been no body found in the pyramids. So, you know, why mainstream archaeology still is standing on that hill, uh, I have no clue. But I think that they were definitely used as a machine, if you will. I mean, just within the last few years, they got these LIDAR scans showing that there's these, you know, 40-meter columns underneath the pyramids with supposedly the the great labyrinth um underneath, and there's supposedly a 40-foot-long object. Um, I don't know, but I know that it was not used for barrel purposes. I can tell you that there's way too much evidence showing that um it was, you know, basically built over uh water over an aquifer, and you know, water's got a lot of uses. Uh, it was almost like a nuclear cooling plant. Uh that's what I think. And you know, here's everything from uh it was used as a communication through space and time and all sorts of stuff. I don't know, but I definitely know that it was a device. Let's put it that way. That's my that is my own uh feeling.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

That's your con this essentially your contention towards the idea of what they were used for.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

Uh yeah, yeah. What's your what's yours? Like what do you I mean, you know, people let's get let's get it straight here.

SPEAKER_00 5:33

When we're talking about a machine, I think your guys' heads might go to something that's very what's the word what's the right word to use, progressive, very intricate, and it is that it correct. It is that, but at the same time, we're not talking about your car, we're not talking about a conveyor belt, we're talking about something that has a use for something other than what it's been like. That's the whole thing about the pyramids, there's so many theories about what they were used for, and nobody can pin it down to a single thing. It's a lot of arguing, it's a lot of going back and forth, it's a lot of extrapolating ideas and what they might have been used for, and you know how they line up and all that kind of stuff, and we'll get into all that, but I think it's interesting that there's not a lot of people, or there's groups of people that can I that can't agree and have evidence for that agreement for it to be just one thing. You can't pinpoint it, I guess, is my point. And you've also got no pun intended, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 6:40

Right. You also I think it's it's crazy. You got the Egyptian government uh trying to hide things. Well, that was the same thing as that.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

I'm glad you mentioned that because I actually saw the thing, you know, we watched a um a documentary, um, or he rather sent me a documentary that was pretty interesting. It was about a half, what is it about 45 minutes or so-ish, something like that? Yeah, all just under 45 minutes. Yeah, so not only is it the Egyptian government, it's the Bosnian government, it's the China Chinese government. Um you have all of these, like, for example, what I think is interesting is in the document in the documentary he sent me and I watched, um it was interesting to know that a actual fact of the ones in China, for example, the Chinese government actually, you know, quote unquote, take it or leave it, planted like artificial, like artificially planted trees on these so-called pyramids to cover it up. I think that's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

Yeah, I mean, do you they they have pictures from like the 50s and 60s, 70s uh of these pyramids, and then the Chinese government just said uh yeah, nobody's allowed to visit uh these spots anymore, and they planted uh you know thousands of trees on these, in quotations, hills, right? Because they don't call them pyramids anymore. Um clearly they're definitely uh uh pyramid. Uh why else would you say nobody can go there and plant a bunch of trees? It's right like it's it makes no sense.

SPEAKER_00 8:23

It's uh yeah, it's it's asinine to say that nobody can go up there, but then there's people up there planting artificial trees. Whatever. If that's that's your that's your scapegoat, f sure. Have at it. Um no, but to get back to your question, what do I feel about them? I think I think stuff like this is unexplainable and we should leave it unexplained until the purpose of them is revealed to us. Um I'm a big believer in not messing with shit until you have to mess with it. Um the fact that there's all these different theories and evidence of theories of stuff that it could be used for. A lot of it is otherworldly, like we said, it's communicating with space, communicating with extraterrestrials, it's com you know, their religious l uh religious aspirations and religious or religious covets as far as these pyramids are concerned, what they were used for as far as religious religious purposes. Um I guess my stance is if I had to boil it down to a sentence or two, is you you are you are playing with things that are not only out of your control but out of your understanding with this type of shit. Um it's the same thing that we went to with the extraterrestrial stuff and the Sumerian stuff, it's the same thing we went to with paranormal things, and and my general stance with the stuff that I don't know about, I tend to not dig too far into it to where I'm going to be like I don't want to find some shit out that not necessarily is gonna scare me, but I think a lot of us, especially people that are sort of renowned in what they believe, no matter what it is, whether it's religious, whether it's factual, it's logistical, analytical, whatever. People are very hard-pressed to change their opinions because they're so well ingrained and it's comfortable. Um, I'm not one of those people. I never really have been. I've grown up a lot in my probably my latter teens into my 30s now. Um I just sort of take shit as it comes, dude. I don't think we should mess with stuff that we don't know about. I think we should leave it alone, and if and when it's to be revealed to us, it'll make sense. That's that's sort of where I am with all sorts of stuff, not just necessarily this, but since we're talking about this, it makes you know what I mean. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 10:54

I guess kind of to an extent. Like, do you do you think that it was burial or do you think here I mean here's another here's another interesting, okay, um bit of information as far as regarding the Egyptian pyramids. Supposedly way older um than what mainstream archaeology has said. And this actually, there is there is no mention by the Egyptians themselves. Uh like there's no blueprint. They've never found any blueprint that's another thing how these were made.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

That's another thing, is that like you have no sample source of where this came from.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

So another theory is these pharaohs came upon these, found them, because if I mean you think about it, like the Sphinx just its head was visible when it was first started to be dug up. I mean, it was buried in sand. These are really, really old, but supposedly these pharaohs, they just they f they f found these pyramids and happened to slap their name on them. Like, hey, I found it. Doesn't necessarily mean I built it, I found it, which is interesting. Yeah, an interesting theory. Um they just sort of walked across it.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

Man was just walking across the desert eating an apple and then ho shit. Uh uh, right?

SPEAKER_01 12:21

Um because it, you know, I've never gone there, but my parents went went there in the in the 90s. And then you know, my dad said it's very interesting because you go into the you know, a bunch of the different temples, and there's just it's uh artwork everywhere and hieroglyphs everywhere, and you go into the the pyramids and it's just it's not. It's it's it doesn't look like a temple. Um so you know, I I don't know. I I don't know. Um again, it like you know, the the Egyptian government trying to not trying to stop people from from digging uh the potential labyrinth, the uh the great labyrinth of Egypt that was written, I believe Plato wrote about the labyrinth and a couple other um philosophers that had traveled to Egypt and said, you know, how grand this labyrinth was and they haven't been able to find it, but then they did LiDAR scans and it literally shows a labyrinth. Um it's it's incredible, but um back to the pyramids itself it's just interesting because if you look at the Sphinx the the wear and tear from the rain and water damage, you know, Egypt hasn't had rainfall in how long? You know, like real actual rainfall in in in long, long time, so y you gotta, you know what the math isn't mathing for what the mainstream educational and I think you know, they don't want to rewrite history, they don't want to admit there's too many people, there's too many archaeologists who have jobs at you know Harvard and Cambridge and and teaching you know students and people all over the world that they don't want their reputation to be tarnished. I I I don't understand why we can't just say, hey, you know what? Uh we were wrong, we got new information, and this is it now.

SPEAKER_00 14:31

I I don't understand why it's egos, I know what it is, but but I just well it's egos, it's monetary's monetary value, people have gotten awards for it. Lit people have literally, I mean, honestly, let's break it down to what it is. People have staked their reputation, careers, life. Oh yeah. So it's a lot to give up, if you really think about it. In the grand in the grand scheme of things, it might not be, but for our purpose here, money, fame, pride, all that kind of stuff is pretty important, wouldn't you agree? Oh yeah. Now I'm not making a case for them covering it up. What I am saying is that we're humans and we're fallible. Yeah. We're fallible, we make mistakes, but we're also very prideful beings, and we don't like to admit that we're wrong sometimes. That's the problem.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

Yeah. Um but you know, very interesting, like the alig how the how the pyramids align with the stars, exactly to star constellations. And not only do those pyramids, but a lot of the pyramids, pyramids in Mesoamerica and and Mesopotamian stuff, you know, like what's what is that?

SPEAKER_00 15:48

I think the other really cool thing is the uh the similarities between some of these pyramids.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Um yeah, they're like on completely different continents that these civilizations supposedly never had contact with each other. Correct. Um, and they're all when they carbonate these things, they they're all around the same time period, right?

SPEAKER_00 16:10

Well, I remember seeing one, at least in the documentary you sent me, there's artificial cement. They've been able to extrapolate or extract rather from the ones in Bosnia. Because as far back as at least they can quote it, Bosnian pyramids are the oldest on Earth. That's at least what I got from.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

Well, no, Bob, they're they're denying that the Bosnia pyramids are pyramids.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

Well, I'm saying, but what I am saying is if they are if they are found to be, they are quote unquote the oldest ones in existence.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

They would be the oldest. Yeah. It goes back to like go Beckley Tepley, that that point time, which by the way, don't know if you saw, but in the last couple days, they actually found a statue in a one of the uh compartments there. So they've never found an actual like human being statue there. So that's like a big, big, big discovery. Um big discovery. So I mean that but the if Bosnia would be the oldest.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

Yeah, I think they said it was like twelve twenty twelve thousand five hundred years or something like that, I think that's what they said.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

Something like that. And that's just pyramids on the surface. There's pyramids underwater in India and um you know all over the world. Even pyramids that they supposedly have found a lab a bunch of pyramids right in the Bermuda Triangle on the ocean floor. Um that makes a lot of sense. Crazy. Absolutely crazy. So I mean you got pyramids above ground, uh, you know, buried underground that we gotta dig up, and then you got pyramids, you know, uh uh underwater when the ocean levels were a lot lower. Lord knows how old those are.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Right. I I I think an also really interesting point with the pyramids is the um the fine the finite exact location of where they're pointing to. Not only where they're pointing to, but the way like the way they're set up. So like, yeah, exactly. Um and from what I understand, it's like to a millimeter. Oh, it's like impeccable, it's almost perfect. Uh-huh. So I this is the other thing, really interesting thing too, is that if you look at pyramids, they're kind of like pyramids are more or less shaped like the head of an arrow, right? More or less, they're they're pointing to something finite. It's not like you know, our finger pointing, it's like it goes to a point. You know what I mean? Like it's a very minimal point of of apex at the at the top of it. So, like, for for example, if we're talking about the fact that no burial chamber, you know, it's a burial chamber. Why are we building it 20 feet in the sky, or you know, 3,000 feet in the sky or whatever it is? What's the point? If it's a burial chamber, why are you building it 30, 40, 50 stories into the f into the air? What's the point? There's no point to that. So what is it pointing to and why and and and why is it pointing where it's pointing? I think that's an interesting subject too, because the m like I said, the mathematics, you want to talk about math mathing. I mean it's kind of insane. It's almost like it's it's like that too good to be true type of thing. Like there's a reason, you know? It's not just it's not like I said, it's not just by happenstance, it's not just because it just happened to be there. Somebody put it there. Whether it was us or something else. Because it's not it's it's not just sitting in an arbitrary place. It's pointing to certain things. There's dimensions that make sense. Like I said, the mathing is the the math is mathing. It it it you know, you have to look at it logically.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Yeah, and it it's like they were built for a purpose. It wasn't you wouldn't you wouldn't go through all that effort and all that you know manpower and you know a whole civilization building these megalithic structures for just a deck ceremonial decoration. I don't believe that.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

Well there's gotta be more to it than that. That that brings the other question to play is how the hell do you move a 600-ton rock? They don't know. You'd have trouble doing that today.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

They can't do it. They so um the head curator for the the head guy, the head Egyptologist, uh, he was on Rogan's show a couple months ago, I think back in May, and he was so just arrogant, pompous, um, shut down. Uh he he he didn't even know, pretended not to know about some of these these theories and some of the um like facts. Like he had he said he had no clue that they found these forty meter pillars with the lidar and he tried to like dismissing the whole thing. Um and you know, he works with the Egyptian government, so that's not a surprise. Um but Doctor Sakhar w I I'll find his name in a second, but um You know, he said that they were able to r to, you know, reconstruct and they've they've done it. And Rogan was like, and I'm paraphrasing, he's like, you know, well, did you video it? Like, where's the evidence? And he's like, Oh, no, no, but we we did it, we took pictures. And Joe's like, Huh. Okay. They've never been able to do it. Even with the technology we have today, to I forget the amount of time they said in that documentary, you would have to cut the stones. It would have to be like a four-minute I I forget the exact number, but it'd have to be a ridiculously fast um process that just you couldn't do it. Not with what like there's like what over a million blocks in the just just the Great Pyramid of Giza.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

Yeah, they said something like it was either a million or something to that effect. It was like a couple million.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Yeah, and like it's like we do the math, and it would supposedly take like 600 years to do it, and they supposedly did it in 20.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

Yeah, and it may and it also the the weight of it was also really interesting. They said it was something like 600 million tons or something like that of rock.

SPEAKER_01 23:17

Oh yeah. Absolutely insane, wild.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

And the fact that they're still standing in such a such a such a like you know, sandstorms and stuff like that are no joke. They kick up a lot of wind, they kick up a lot of sand, they kick, they they can they can make some hellfire, like really like they they can destroy some shit. Not like if you came there after a sand, you would be like, it's not even been touched, nothing's moved. It's amazing. It's so perfect that like even the weather can't can't fuck with it. Like that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

No?

SPEAKER_00 23:55

I mean, like, think how long if they're if they're predated Christ, how long those things have been in the exact same spot and have probably moved like a centimeter. Something crazy. Like it it's crazy. It's actually wild to think that those things have been those things. I think what they said was it predates Christ by like 2500 years.

SPEAKER_02 24:21

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

That's what that's what mainstream will tell you, and then they think, you know, there's a lot of evidence proving that they're way older than that. Way older than that. Um and even what's underneath them is way older. You know, the Sphinx. They think that there was a whole different head on that, and that the Egyptians found it, and you know, it's another one. So there's actually two sphinxes. There's the big one and then there's the small one. Um everybody, you know, obviously knows the the bigger one, but there's a there's another there's another smaller one, and you can you can like see the the damage from water from rain, and you know, uh I I might get the date wrong. I think they haven't had actual like rainstorms or whatever in like 7,000 years or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 25:29

Yeah, it's just like how I I know we're pretty cognitive beings, like we come up a lot of stuff and we invent things and all that kind of stuff, but like for such a for such a you know for such a for a time period that was so behind what we are now, like we built a pyramid now, it's like hey, I'm gonna build a pyramid, right? But like to that scale and at that time period when there wasn't the technology that we have today, that begs the question is where did they come from? You were talking about the blueprints. There's there's no blueprint ever been found. There's no there's no direction from anything as far as how these things were constructed, how were they built, how were they thought about, how were the you know, all of that stuff. Not one shred of evidence has been found about how these things were done and and why they were done.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

So what's interesting, and this is this just shows you how the crazy thought process of mainstream archaeology and and shit. So the Egyptians traced their lineage, their pharaohs, back thirty thousand years. Like their history, they can go back to thirty thousand years when the first pharaohs came. Uh adopts they they they say that um they only recognize a couple thousand years of pharaohs, and they say that the other, you know, twenty thousand or twenty-five thousand years of pharaohs is just mythological made up. So they only accept the ones that fit their narrative. Now, how the hell can you do that? I mean thirty thousand years?

SPEAKER_00 27:46

It's quite a number.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

And you're just gonna dismiss it? You're just gonna dismiss it. Because like if 30,000 years like could you imagine those pyramids are actually even half that old? Yeah. And what and like they said, what if the pharaohs happened upon those and it was there from an even older civilization, like in Atlantis or or something like that, that they just found and put their name on it.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

Yeah, it's just like redistributing the wealth, right? Mm-hmm. But that's the thing I wanted to get into too, also, and I think it all sort of wraps into the same thing, is that like where with the technology they had, it's it doesn't seem feasible. So, where did it come from? And that's where we get in the conversation about the extraterrestrials and like them being because the thing I thought that was really interesting about what I found out about why they are the way that they are, and how pinpoint they are is the um the energy. It was the energy, and then we'll get into that because I'm I'm blanking on the guy's name that came up with the theory, but we'll get into that in a second. What I wanted to touch on before that was um the the the beacon mentality or like the um like they're a way to sort of pinpoint and orient yourself to where you're at. Yeah. Um so sort of like think about you're talking about celestial. Yeah, so sort of think about the fact that like it's like a roadmap or like a map quest. You got uh Jesus, we're probably too probably got listeners on here too young to remember map quest, but think about like a like a think about like a really, really environmental way of thinking about GPS. That's what we're talking about. Um so they would be able to sort of pinpoint where they are on Earth based on what pyramid they're staring at and where it's pointing to. Um almost like a war like a wormhole on Earth. Right, like sort of not necessarily a wormhole, but like just a point of destination, right? It's been it's it's a way to orient where you are depending on where you are where you are on the planet. This planet in particular. Um and you the other good point that you that I want to touch on that you just spoke about was the I I think his name was Joe. Was it Joe Parr?

SPEAKER_01 30:21

I'm not 100% sure.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

I think it was Joe Parr, but like I'll look it up while we're sort of talking here. But the one that you touched on um was interesting. Uh the notion that you touched on about them being sort of like um the energy field type of thing. You want to go into that a little bit while I look this guy up and make sure I'm talking about the right person?

SPEAKER_01 30:44

Yeah, yeah. So um with the shape of pyramids, when uh you know, use certain um like water flow, there's also quartz and uh magnetism uh that you can use, you know, they're they're actually uh resonators, and it's interesting with the shape because you can actually use that shape and they start um getting like an electromagnetic field, and they can actually start moving on their own. And they can uh almost do like a uh what like a like what they what they described it as, I'll help you out, they had sort of described it as like a weightlessness, like a like think about the way a plane flies or some kind of aviation.

SPEAKER_00 31:38

It was kind of like that. Go ahead, go on.

SPEAKER_01 31:40

Yeah, yeah. So like the one thing that they said was every time they did it, uh, didn't they say like it it started to go towards a uh star star system?

SPEAKER_00 31:52

It was a it was Orion's belt. It was a constellation. Orion's belt. Yeah, it was a constellation, so it would sort of move and sort of gravitate, if you will, to that constellation or that uh arrangement of stars, yes.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

Um how much I mean this guy was doing it on obviously way smaller. Well he was scale.

SPEAKER_00 32:11

Well, he was scaling, he was scaling it, right? So it wasn't like he was doing this kind of stuff in a lab versus doing it obviously, you know what I mean? So scale that to a 600 600 million ton piece of rock, essentially, right? Because it's made mostly of rock or stone in some form or fashion. You would extrapolate the you know four-foot pyramid in your house that's doing this to something that's weighs 600 million tons. So not only are you extrapolating the amount that it has to move, but what is moving it.

SPEAKER_01 32:48

Yeah, think about that power. Like that's which again, you go into you know, quartz, crystal, the water flow.

SPEAKER_00 32:57

Um well, all of all of what you're talking about has applications of power. Water is was is is still used today as a power source. So is the so is the wind. Right. Um just natural phenomenon that takes place all around us every day is used as power, it's used as a force.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:20

Um but what I respect.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

Go ahead. Go go ahead. No, go ahead. Um, I was gonna say there's you know, there's actually, I believe, evidence of uh like radioactivity in the pyramids, like nuclear radioactive like uh readings. And I think that there might have been like they build them on the uh water reservoirs to as a cooling agent, just like we do today for nuclear power.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

Yeah. Um what I thought was really interesting about it though, and this is the you know, we're making a left turn part of the conversation. Um the whole hyperspace and string theory that it sort of points to. Um yeah. Almost like wormhole type. Yeah, so the hyperspace thing and the string theory, from what I understand of the little bit of research I've done on string theory, because I'm I'm a cu I was a communication major in college people, so the math doesn't always math, dear boy. Um but basically his contention was that, like I said, left turn. Pyramids are pyramids are an active time machine to other dimensions. Take that with take that with a big grain of salt if you want to. Um but there's been you can call it bullshit, you can call it like clout grabbing or clout chasing or whatever you want. There have been people that have said they've experienced hyperspace or going into another dimension. Um there's been documented accounts too with the pyramids um that all of them, well, maybe not all, maybe that's a gross generalization. I would say a lot of them are pointing to the exact same constellation in different parts of the world. Exactly, different parts of the world, different side, you know, different corners of the world, they're all over the place. I think they said they're on five continents out of seven, is that right?

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Uh yeah, and there's also, you know, there is the um there is the theory that there are pyramids on Antarctica. And there's a lot of evidence uh on that one.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

So that's a whole nother Yeah, depending on where you are in the world, they actually treat I actually just looked this up. Depending on where you are in the world, there's actually six.

unknown 36:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:00

Um there's a belief that there's six, but in the United States we believe there's seven, that being the most common, like so. Depending on if you want to get right. If you want to get if you want to get real, like technical, technically speaking, it's seven if you live in the United States and pretty much everywhere else it's six. So I'm assuming they probably treat Europe and Asia as a continent. So um because yeah, I mean that would make a lot more sense. Um but I think it's interesting that they're all pointing towards the same point. Do we think that's really just by chance? Like if you think of There's a r like we said at the beginning, there's a reason and a a a objective here. There's an objective and an and a and a re and a there's an objective and a reason to everything. You look at stuff with physics, there's an equal and opposite reaction and all that kind of stuff, and you know, you put in good, you get out good, you put in bad, you get out bad, right? Like it all everything has its counterpoint and where it's supposed to go, and that kind of thing, and where it's supposed to be no matter what you're talking about. So are we really gonna chalk this up to coincidence? It just doesn't make logical sense. If you think about it logically, there is a reason that these things are the way they are and do what they do and all that kind of stuff. It's not you can't you can't detract from the fact that it means something. What it does mean, we're probably gonna be talking like I said, like I said also when you asked me the question, what do I think about the pyramids and and and what they're for and that kind of stuff, I ain't fucking with it, dog. I'm just gonna be straight up and keep it a buck. I I honestly it if it happens to happen while I'm alive, I'll know then. I gotcha. I got you. Whatever they're for, whatever they're supposed to do, whatever they're not supposed to do, it'll happen. Am I gonna be alive for it? I doubt it. Maybe. We'll see. I mean, fuck. I mean, 2012 was supposed to be the end of everything, right? That didn't happen.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

Well, today was supposed to be the ra the the the second rapture, and we're still here, so if it happened.

SPEAKER_00 38:47

But like that you could talk about that same thing with Y2K, right? When all the computers were supposed to shut down and the world was supposed to land and it was the fucking apocalypse. That didn't happen. Yeah. You know what I mean? So like it it's all up for interpretation. That we know of right, but it's not a lot of different things. But it but it's but it's all it's all up, it's all up for interpretation and and sort of what you you know. I don't know how you feel about that, but that's sort of my roundabout way of going through the topic is that I don't need to know, bro. If it happens, it happens. I'm here for it.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

Here's my two cents on this. I have there's here's what I think. There's there's one of two things. Okay, and maybe it could be a combination, but I think it comes down to two things with those pyramids having the same structure, um, you know, same s uh down to the centimeter like you talked about, and they're also modeled after the same celestial um, you know, star systems and stuff like that on different continents, and these civilizations supposedly never met. One of two things, either these civilizations met and they were traveling, and they knew each other well, and they shared you know different engineering techniques and different whatever. There's that one, or or they had help from an advanced civilization. Now, advanced civilization doesn't have to be you know something alien or extraterrestrial, uh, but somebody taught all these civilizations around the same damn time how to do this. And it's really fascinating because you got pyramids in Mexico that almost take on the same shape in India and in China.

SPEAKER_00 40:48

I mean, they're all over they're all over the place. That's the crazy that's the crazy part, too, is it's not just a secular, it's not just one instance. They're all over the place, dude. Hundreds and thousands of them. They're everywhere. Yeah, so you can't pigeonhole it to something that's just oh well, it just happened to happen. What about the 20,000 other ones I'm staring at, dude? Where's your answer for that?

SPEAKER_01 41:15

Well, or how about, you know, now you've seen the LiDAR technology, right?

SPEAKER_00 41:21

No, but what I will say before I I will say before you continue, just to make my point as far as like like what what what do they say? Like, what what's the saying is like, you know, one once it's a coincidence. You know, I I forget what the saying is, but you know what I'm saying. Like, one is a coincidence, one is like, okay, it might be something more, and then number three is just like a fucking anomaly. Like, are you still you know what I mean? Like it's it's it's interesting to think about because it's not just one event. There's hard evidence all over the world about this stuff, they're everywhere. So you can't dismiss the fact that they're here for a reason. What the reason is, we don't know, but continue. Go ahead with what you were saying.

SPEAKER_01 42:13

Yeah, so um it you've have you seen like the LiDAR technology?

SPEAKER_00 42:18

No, I've not I I might have heard of it, but I don't I don't know anything about it.

SPEAKER_01 42:24

Okay, so um what it does is you can uh they have this technology now um where they can actually scan and do um like ground penetrating radar and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

Like okay, so like shit they would use for like mining and stuff like that. Is that what you're getting at?

SPEAKER_01 42:42

Yeah, so so there's ground penetrating radar, but then there's LIDAR, and what LIDAR does is it actually removes the vegetation. Um, and they have actually been able to map out entire cities in the Amazon. Underneath the ground underneath the ground. Yes, yeah, that well, underneath the canopies and the trees that they just thought were just regular.

SPEAKER_00 43:07

Oh, got it. So, like it would be it's sort of like a way to cut through all the bullshit so you can see what's underneath.

SPEAKER_01 43:12

Okay, they can find the roads, the buildings, more pyramids that they can't even fucking get to because number one, you got cannibalistic tribes still out there, and just that jungle is good luck.

SPEAKER_00 43:29

Yeah, I was gonna say you wouldn't want to probably send your worst enemy into the Amazon on a you know unattended. Probably wouldn't be a great idea.

SPEAKER_01 43:36

No, and I mean, you know, we've talked about it on this episode before when we're gonna talk about cryptids. I mean, they're still finding new species of animal. Um so Lord knows what's out there. Um you know, between the anaconda snakes and the gigantic spikes, you know, those bigger those hot, warm climates, uh They just everything's bigger. It's like Texas.

SPEAKER_00 44:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:04

Um, but it's just interesting because, you know, um, I'll have to send you um some information on the lidar because it's crazy what they can do with it. They're discovering so much from ancient history, and they use part of the lidar and ground penetrating radar to find those labyrinths under, you know, uh in Giza and Saqqara.

SPEAKER_00 44:25

So since you know a little bit more about the LIDAR, you know, technology than I do, what would you say is like their crown jewel? So, like the pyramids, for example, they've been able to excavate and find a bunch of really cool shit. What is what is probably their crown jewel or what they've found with LIDAR that you would say would be something like that, like a you know, like a revelation type experience where you find something that you didn't know was there. What would you say is probably like the the best thing they found?

SPEAKER_01 44:55

Um, they have found in ancient mythological writings where they talked about um these cities that everyone said didn't exist for you know a couple hundred years. Now they actually found them. Like there's actual physical evidence of it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. It's interesting. Yeah, like I'll I'll you know, give me a second here and I'll I'll look at it. No, yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 45:19

So I think that brings that like you know, because we talk about everything above the surface, right? We sort of touched on the fact that everything below the surface is I I mean I would venture a guess I'd probably have to look up the statistic, but I would bet 75 to 85 percent of the entirety of the ocean has been unexplored because one we don't know what's down there, and two, we don't have the technology to get to where we need to go past a certain point. Would you agree with that? Yeah, I would definitely agree with that. So, like, not only are we scared to find out what's down there, we don't have the ability to go down there, or at least, you know, quote unquote the ability, right? Throw that however you want it, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:02

I mean, we don't have I mean we probably have the ability. Like, I would believe that our government and military probably has the ability to go down there. They're just black op programs that we don't know about. Um, you know, because I mean, even like my dad said when he was in Vietnam, he's like, you know, he did some black ops programs and he said, um, whatever technology the public has, the the you know, those special programs they have technology that's hundreds for millionaires. I was gonna say about I was gonna say hundreds, thousands of years ahead. Yeah, so I mean, yeah, it's it's Lord only knows, but I mean you're bringing it.

SPEAKER_00 46:55

Right, but an inch the reason I bring that up, the reason I bring up the ocean floor and stuff is stuff about like Atlantis and stuff like that. Like, what if it's down there and we just you know, as much exploring as we do in space, I I would probably venture a guess that we do little to none involving the ocean. Like just because of the the weight of the ocean is just so more like I I realize that as you go up you lose oxygen, but at the same time, the really crazy thing about the ocean is as you go down farther, the weight increases.

SPEAKER_01 47:30

Well, the pressure, yeah. Yeah, the pre yeah, it's uh it's I mean, I've had my scuba drivers license since I was 10 years old, and uh, you know, I always wanted to go like super far deep, you know, over a hundred feet deep and stuff, but what sucks is you don't have the color, everything just gets dark and blue, and then you're using up more air, so you don't have as much time, and then also every 10 feet, once you get past like 30 feet, do you you gotta start stopping every 10 feet and decompress, or your lungs literally will explode.

SPEAKER_00 48:10

And that's the whole thing with like decompress decom decompression chambers and all that kind of stuff, why it's necessary. Yeah, but yeah, so it's you know it's a whole it's a very fun thing, but yeah, but it adds a whole new an anomaly to explore a whole new anomaly to exploration. Like as much as we deal with oxygen going up too high and there not being any oxygen, you're dealing with sort of a double whammy. You're dealing with both the pressure and that fact. And I mean, like, it's certain things like you look at like space or uh water exploration, there's been countless times where somebody has gone down there and literally the thing is compressed, like you're kicking it, you're like you're you're crushing a uh an empty can of coke. Ocean gate. Yeah, like uh you go down too far and you're literally gonna get turned into a ball. Like it it just it bat it it it's really baffling. Like that you're I I don't know, I don't I don't know too much about like space and stuff like that, but I I know there is a certain point where that comes into play, but like maybe I don't know enough about it, maybe I'm too green to it because I spend too much time worrying about what's above us versus below us. And that that's not necessarily a bad thing, but at the same time, I wonder if we're ever gonna have the capability or if ever it's gonna be possible for us to you know go into like those places that you're talking about that are hundreds and hundreds and thousands of feet deep to figure out what the actual fuck is actually down there.

SPEAKER_01 49:47

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, if you if you look at um a couple of things that I just sent you, like the lighter is at least showing you that there's something down there, but that doesn't, you know, it does us some good knowing that there's something down there, but until we can actually somehow find a way to get down there and actually examine this stuff, at least get samples to do some type of carbon dating or something. I mean, refine some piece of pottery. Um, you know, it's it's there's a reason why I think everything happens for a reason. There's a reason why we can't get there right now, because like you said, maybe we're just not meant to know right now, and when we're meant to know that information, we'll we'll find out. Yeah, like is it gonna be presented to us when it makes sense? And and guess what? If it is some higher power, either godlike or just extraterrestrial, what a great way to hide that from us. You're talking about down below. Yeah, I mean, and there's there's clear evidence throughout, you know, uh actual written history, and then you know, in the Bible and in the Kabbalah and in the Tehran and all these different religions, what do they all talk about that's in common? What do they all fucking talk about? They all talk about a great flood all around the same time. It's very interesting, and and now, you know, the uh the younger dryas, they've come out and uh they've come out with with studying uh you know watermarks and what you know water lines and all that stuff, that there actually was a massive flood around 10,000 years ago. That isn't just biblical or whatever, that is actual like fact now from doing these studies. Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock, they've worked on that. Um and it's crazy. So something uh there was a event that happened. Now, was it otherworldly, religious, or extraterrestrial, or was it just you know, uh an asteroid or comet that hit and fucked our shit up?

SPEAKER_00 52:21

Yeah, there's evidence for that too. Do you think do you think the real stuff we're after is actually underneath us? Probably. Um, there are because you talked about you you just mentioned something that was really interesting that sort of made my mind go off on a tangent. Um, what's that? The Great Flood. Like, do you think the Great Flood was just a massive cover-up for stuff we're not supposed to see?

SPEAKER_01 52:48

Could be.

SPEAKER_00 52:49

From from said beings that taught us how to do everything, like maybe the real secrets are beneath us, and we just can't get to them yet.

SPEAKER_01 53:00

Could be. I mean, that's you know, with with them finding those pyramids in the Bemirda Triangle, supposedly they think that there is a pyramid that is still actually active with whatever they did, and that's why there's so many anomalies and stuff that happens where people's like instruments go out of whack and all that kind of crazy shit. Yes, that there, yeah, that there's actually a pyramid that's still active. Oh, that's down there. Electrical or some type of interference would definitely do that. Uh-huh. 100%. So, you know, are we supposed to find out? I don't know. I do I can tell you a statistic that'll make you be like, Are you kidding me? Probably. You'll be amazed by this. Did you know that there are do do you know what a USO is? You know what a UFO is, right? Right, an unidentified flying object, yeah. Yes. Do you know what a USO is?

SPEAKER_00 54:00

Is it a submersible?

SPEAKER_01 54:02

Yes. Yeah. Did you know that there are more USO sightings than there are UFO sightings?

SPEAKER_00 54:09

Well, that sort of piggybacks my point, right? Yeah. Is that like there's a lot more activity, probably. I wouldn't say a lot more activity. I would say the because we don't know. Like you said, we don't know what we don't know, but at the same point, like I would have to imagine that something that that is not that we're not supposed to see is doing exactly what it's supposed to do because we haven't fucked with it yet. Mm-hmm. We do like to fuck with things, don't we? Like, it's just doing what it was meant to do. It's not doing anything out of the ordinary. It hasn't been defaced. It hasn't well, let's not use defaced. Let's let's use like it hasn't been tampered with. And dug up and investigated and all this kind of stuff, right? It's just it's in its natural environment doing exactly what it was supposed to do. Yeah. It's a it's a wild theory. It's something to think about.

SPEAKER_01 55:14

It is. It is. I mean you know, we we we're technology just uh advances and gets better, right? I mean, it's always getting better and always evolving, so who knows? One day we might be able to find out more stuff, but I think that day'll happen when we're ready. I don't think that it's uh um an accident when our technology jumps like it does. Like I mean, think about this. It's like I feel like with AI, you know, we were talking about AI off the air earlier. It felt like you we woke up one day and bam, AI was just a part of our life now. Boom, like it came out of nowhere, yeah. Like, where really and you don't think the government and military have been using this for way longer than us? It just happened to leak. Yeah, they just said they just said, oh, okay, yeah. Go ahead, everybody can use it. No. If you believe that, then I don't know what to tell you.

SPEAKER_00 56:19

I have an interesting question for you to pose. Okay. Do you think we're pushing the envelope with our technology? And what I agreed on that. What I mean is, are you thinking we're getting ahead of ourselves? Do you think what we're supposed to find out we're pushing that further than it needs to go? Essentially, we're doing something that we're not we're we're we're having all of this technology, we're having all of these advancements. Do you think it's too fast? That's my my question.

SPEAKER_01 56:57

I think that we do things and we do it just because we can do it, and we don't ask, should we do this? You don't think about the consequences or what it might be. No, we don't we don't we don't think about the consequences at all, and that's the problem.

SPEAKER_00 57:16

You know, it's like that's the that's the thing, too, as I I'll let you continue, but I like you look at movies, you know, Hollywood's a very good segue sometimes into ideas that are sort of like out there, right? There's been plenty of movies, plenty of projects that have sort of again pushed the envelope. And like messing with something that's out of your control that you don't fully understand, how do you control it? You don't.

SPEAKER_01 57:45

Yeah, you can't.

SPEAKER_00 57:48

It becomes out of your control. It becomes out of your human the way your mind works doesn't math to what's going on. Right. Because it's something that's not you're not able to understand. That's the whole point. You don't know what you don't know. But to further make my point before I I let I'm gonna let you finish. Um my point being is that you're not supposed to know that yet. That's why you don't understand. You're it's it's not meant to be understood. That's the whole point, is you're not ready for it. Yeah. But go ahead with what you're saying. I thought that that that was that was sort of an interesting way to sort of look at things. It's like the whole reason doesn't make sense is because it doesn't make sense to you. That's the whole point.

SPEAKER_01 58:42

Oh yeah, we we don't we have no clue.

SPEAKER_00 58:46

And you're not supposed to. That's that's why when you ask me that question, it's like it is what it is, dog. I'll figure it out sooner or later. I'm sure there's there's some there's something driving this. It's not just it's not just happening because it's happening, and there's a reason for it. Yep. I don't know the reason. That's okay. I have no problem with that. I'll figure it out at some point. We always do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:13

Yeah, it's it's just it's it's crazy to th I mean think about how far we've come just in the last like five years, ten years of these different pseudoscience theories that a lot of it is now backed up because of what we found.

SPEAKER_00 59:34

Do you think technology do you think we're messing with a man uh Pandora's box type scenario? Do you do you think that do you think the human being the human race is toying with that right now?

SPEAKER_01 59:48

No, I don't think we're and I I don't I will tell you this. I think we were toying with Pandora's box when we started playing with nuclear energy. Well, when we were building the atomic bomb and blowing those things off all the time and getting into you know the the nuclear warhead race. Um I think the universe felt that and things went, what are these uh cavemen doing? Like they're literally playing with a ticking time bomb. They don't know the extent of what they're doing. Yeah, they're gonna not only kill themselves, but they're gonna mess with the entire universe. Because it's crazy how as soon as we started fucking with that shit, how many UFO sightings, now UAPs, but how many sightings there were. Well, just how things changed.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:55

Yeah, and like like from a from a clear point of from a very atomic, from a very atomic, from a very atomic point of view, life changed drastically when that first one went off. Oh, yeah. Like everything changed. It's like little instances like that, like with the atomic bomb or the the the creation of AI, like those examples is what I'm talking about. It's not like the little stuff that we see, but like the big events, the cataclysmic type events that can literally shape what's happening within our environment.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:38

Right, and and honestly, what do we love to do when we get new technology? How do we fucking weaponize it? We're so gung-ho on war, and it's like, you know, if we ever did find the ancient technology for what they use for the pyramids or you know, other stuff, um, you know, maybe levitating the maybe they use levitation to levitating the stones to build it. I don't know, but like telekinesis or some crazy shit like that. Yeah, like we we would just weaponize it and we're not ready yet because we're not a peaceful society. And I think that until we become a truly higher higher like third eye chakra, like peaceful society, uh civilization, um, we're we're not supposed to know that. I think the nuclear thing was an accident, and uh, whoever the powers that be was like, whoa, uh, we gotta fucking monitor these these people better because they're gonna end it all. And I mean, there's there's supposed in in ancient uh you know ancient India, um there's scripture saying that there was a huge nuclear war, and that's that's why you know North Africa is a desert and most of you know some of the Middle East is there's actually remnants of I don't know if you know this, but there's actual glass particles in Egypt and in some of these Middle Eastern countries, you can actually see glass particles. So that means there had to have been a huge explosion to heat that to get glass. So maybe something did happen a long time ago that you know we just didn't learn our lesson.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:44

Maybe it was one of those cataclysmic, maybe it was one of those cataclysmic events. Could have been. That changed everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:51

Could have been, but you know, I kind of stand with you. I I don't believe in coincidences. Um and people love to poo-poo things and say, Oh, you're a conspiracy theorist, or blah blah blah. And whatever, I'll I'll wear that fucking badge with honor, and it's fine, I'm a conspiracy theorist. But there's also a lot of conspiracy facts. There's a hell of a lot more theories that are turning into facts now. And uh it's gr I can't even imagine what you know, the next five years, probably 2030, what we know. But again, the problem is now with AI, good luck trying to figure out what's real and what's not.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:35

Yeah, and I actually the quote that I was alluding to earlier, I actually found it. It's by Ian Fleming. Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, uh the other really cool one that I found, it was actually in the same same breath as that one was a quote by Albert Einstein as coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I I fervently believe there's nothing that's by happenstance, there's nothing by chance, everything has a rhyme, a reason, and a reason, you know. There's there's a reason and a concrete reason for why it is here, why you're looking at it, why you know about it, everything. Shit doesn't just happen, dude. You can you can call it destiny, you can call it you know, whatever you want, but it's still the same idea.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:40

Yeah, and and the fact that so many different cultures not just having the pyramids, right? But also in their beliefs and their religion and their whatever you want to call it, they all have a very similar quote unquote story. That you know, you look at the Anunnaki, that story is the same as Osiris in Egypt. And Northern Ireland has the same damn story. And then over in China they have theirs. India has a very similar story. Uh or yeah, India and like Hindu and and all that. It it's just how when do they become when do they stop becoming myth and becoming actual historical record?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:40

Yeah, like it's one thing to call something a coincidence, but when you have documented proof that it's not, what are we talking about? Like you're literally showing somebody a physical or environmental or some kind of result that is indisputable evidence that this is a thing, and you can't turn away from it. What do you do? You cover it up.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:13

Right. Well, it like look at some of the temples over in India. These temples were built literally on the side of mountains, and they still to this day cannot find the rock that was left over from supposedly chiseling this shit. And it was supposedly done like I think in a day or a week or something like that. Something that there's it would take us fuck. It would probably take at least a year to two years to do it, maybe longer. Like, I'll I'll s when we're done here, I'll send you some pictures of this stuff, but they literally cannot find the leftover rock.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:02

Like, where did it come from? It's artificial concrete. You don't think that's gonna leave a trace somewhere? And we just it is what it is. It just doesn't make sense. Like I said, everything comes from something, it's not here by happenstance, and it's not just there. It came from somewhere. Right. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:29

Absolutely. It's it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:33

But with with the pyramids and stuff, you guys can draw your draw your own conclusions. We just like to talk, and I think this has probably one been one of our more in-depth episodes as far as just getting into like what it could be, like theories and stuff like that. And I, you know, I I we had talked off air about maybe doing an AI episode or possibly something like that next episode, because with me being a technologist and somebody that knows a lot about it, it would be an interesting conversation to feel to feel out how technology plays a part into this as well, because it's not just, you know, it's not just stuff popping up for stuff popping up's sake. They had to have had a way to do it. It had to have been some kind of machine or God forbid, power. Something happened that was out of our control to make this a thing and make it real and make it something that it is you know quite literally awe-inspiring. Like, I've never you've been to the foot of some of these things, and I guess to wrap up, like I what it did you feel anything? You've you've it was sort of like the conversation we had about me going to Israel with all of the religious sites that I saw. So, like, can you speak to that as far as like, did you feel anything different? Was there at from your personal experience, was there evidence of anything that we've talked about? Did you feel anything? Like, get into that a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:08

Um, well, unfortunately, like the pyramids that I went to, I was too damn young. You know, I wasn't I was like 10 years old, nine years old. Um I did when I was in uh oh where was I? I was in Kazumel and saw some some uh smaller pyramids there. And dad and I actually we we uh we were able to go on them and uh I didn't feel like any energy source there, but again, they were smaller, those could have just been ritual um sacrificial ones, but I mean it's still amazing to think that like these were built how long ago by supposed you know tribe people um who didn't have a lot of technology. If they had technology, it was very limited, like by our standards today it wasn't even close. Right. And there's there's uh I put two pictures in the message thing for you to look at for that Hindu temple in the mountain, you can look at. Um but you know, it it's just incredible to to look at the the intricacy, and I mean I don't think there's things that we could replicate today. Um but it's just amazing to think that they however the hell they did it, you know, first off, why did they do it? Um but also you you just look at the beauty of it, and you gotta think, they must have really had a lot of faith or belief in whatever whatever made them do that, what whatever made them build that. Um whatever whether they were trying to replicate something or you know, a lot of this stuff too, it's interesting because you can't even see the I mean you see the beauty of of these temples and these pyramids and stuff and these buildings, but what's really crazy is a lot of the designs you miss because a lot of these you can't even see the intricacy of how the beautiful geometrical shapes are unless you're in the sky, right? You gotta have an aerial view like a fucking bird to even to see the whole thing, and you're like, holy shit, like that looks like a lotus flower, or that looks like a fucking mandala, or like for what purpose would you fucking do that, other than if somebody from above you can fucking see, and know what it's for and where it is and that kind of stuff with the orientation shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:01

Right. Um that was that brings up another good point that I wanted to touch on. I'm glad that you sort of jogged my memory, was the the fact that the pyramids are not straight. They're concaved. Well, yeah, they're they're actually eight sides, not four. Correct. I thought that was interesting. Yeah. I wonder if that lines up the eight number, because you know, numbers do hold meaning like everything else. I wonder if that lines up to something that they found, because I haven't done enough research on it, but that would be a if like the number matches up with something about their technology or like you know, that kind of stuff, whether it has some kind of significance.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:40

Well, what's interesting is like uh what which pyramid is it? It's one in Mesoamerica. Um it is Oh, which one is it? Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on. Here we go. Um Chich and Itza. The pyramid there. It's got exactly 365 steps. Exact amount of days in the calendar year. And then also in uh the pyramids in Giza, uh they they add up to the golden ratio. Which if you give me a second, I'll look up the golden ratio. Um so the golden ratio 1.6180339.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:44

You're looking up sort of what the context is of the of the golden ratio, like what it's for. What do you say? I said, are you looking up like the context of what it's for, like the golden ratio, like what it pertains to?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:56

Yeah, so it says the golden ratio is not definitively proven to be intentionally used by ancient Egyptians, but it is also often claimed to be present in the Great Pyramid of Giza. Specifically, the ratio of the Great Pyramid's slant height to half its base length is very close to the golden ratio, approximately 1.618, a relationship that some researchers find too precise to be a coincidence. However, other experts suggest that these proportions could be a natural result of construction or a misrepresentation of approximate measurements, especially since the golden ratio is an irrational number and the pyramid's dimensions have inherent inherent uncertainties.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:41

So what's the I'm gonna look up something real quick. I want to look up a definition real quick because I think I know the answer, and this is gonna spark our last point probably. Um what unit of what unit of what unit of measurement is it in?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:55

Um that is a oh, but if you keep talking, I will try to find it.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:02

So I looked up I looked up this because I wanted to look up the definition of what a irrational was, like the actual Webster's definition. Not logical or reasonable. And then in mathematics, uh it states of a number quantity or expression not expressible as a ratio of two integers and having an infinite or non-reoccurring expansion, which expressed as a decimal. Examples of irrational numbers are the number pi and the square root of two. So it brings me back to the conversation. What if our understanding is irrational? We haven't been given the juice yet.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:03

Right. Well, what's interesting? We haven't been jacked into the matrix, if you know what I'm saying. Right. This is on ancientorigins.net says, what is the golden ratio in mathematics and the arts? Two quantities are in the golden ratio if their ratio is the same as the ratio of their sum to the larger of the two quantities. When the golden mean is conceptualized in two dimensions, it is typically presented as a regular spiral that is defined by a series of squares and arcs, each forming golden rectangles. This symbolic potential arises because of the way the mean spiral shape resembles growth patterns observed in nature and its proportions, are reminiscent of those in human bodies. Thus, these simple spirals and rectangles, which serve to suggest the presence of a universal order underlying the world, were thereby dubbed golden or divine. And what's crazy is I'm gonna put this in the chat too, so you can see it. Look at the different uh designs on these shells and flowers and stuff, and this is like what they're talking about. So it's got different it's got all different sorts of shapes in nature. Yeah. So that's kind of like what they're talking about, and it's interesting because when you do go to, you know, these ancient temples and stuff like that, you see a lot of these, like, um, you know, I uh I'll go ahead and and and you know talk about like I've had psychedelic experience and I've done DMT, and the one thing with DMT is a lot of kaleidoscope, you see a lot of kaleidoscope uh symbols and stuff. And what you know okay, so you asked me earlier did anything resonate with me when I was, you know, seeing these temples over in in ancient, you know, Mayan Aztec and stuff like that, Mesoamerica. The one thing I will say is the symbols in like this I saw the same symbols in my DMT experience that I saw at those temples. And it's interesting because DMT is, you know, that's what they use in ritual uh ceremonies down in the you know, Amazon and stuff, and it was just really interesting to see that. That's something that stands out in both experiences. Yeah was those so those symbols, and you know, I I essentially saw like a ancient god or demon or something sticking its tongue out and like Kaleidoska. It was weird, but um Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:04

What what you know what what do you think about this golden ratio mathematics is mathematics is pretty finite from what I understand, so it's again, it's yeah, not an accident. Right. Um but as we're getting to an hour and a half like we usually do, I I think we'll just sort of circle back on sort of what we talked about and give our final thoughts on it. I mean with what we're with what we're playing with, like I said, uh it's sort of the first part is that I think we can both agree that if and when we're supposed to find out about all this stuff, it'll be revealed to us. Take that how you want it, whether it's gonna be through religion, whether it's gonna be through whatever it is. It's eventually gonna make itself known. We're we're gonna experience it as a species, what we're supposed to experience, what we're not. Do we have the balls to push the envelope farther than it needs to be and get ourselves into a situation where we're literally irrational and have no idea what to do? Um it's kind of a scary thought, but it is that sort of Pandora's box thing that I was talking about earlier. You know, uh legend of Pandora's box is I'm I'm probably paraphrasing. Hopefully I get this right, because I think I'm right. It was essentially a box given to Pandora by God, and she was told not to open it. Yep. She opened it, and that released all of the bad things and all of the malice and stuff like that into the world, and unfortunately, Adam and Eve with the case. Yeah, like it's the whole t it's the whole temptation, and I'm sure there's other stories within other religions and that kind of stuff that point to the exact same story, just like you were talking about before. So my point being, are all of these stories and mythological things about bad things happening, are they just factual information that we're being fed when the time is right?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:17

That we that right now we think is myth.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:21

Correct. This all all this shit actually did happen. And it's a warning sign to not get ahead of yourself. We're warning you don't do it. Yeah. That'd be wild. That's how I think about it is that I I thought about this a little bit while we were going on because we talked about a lot of crazy shit, and I I I keep saying that I love these podcasts because I do, because once we get rolling, it's just a fucking roller coaster, and it just becomes a really, really fucking good conversation.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:00

But that's what I was sort of thinking throughout the entire podcast. It's like, are we just being, you know, don't open the box, dude. You're not ready for what's in there, bro. I'm telling you right now, don't do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:17

Yeah. And there, you know, there is uh I'll have to find it sometime where you can do an episode on it at some point, but um, there's like a lot of evidence pointing towards Mars actually having been a huge, huge, huge nuclear explosion on Mars. And what if we are answer distant ancestors from Mars? Yeah. That destroyed their planet.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:45

Like are we like I said, it you know, are we an iteration of something that's come before? And it's just like, dude, I slapped your hand with the ruler, you did it again, now we get to slap you twice. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what I'm talking about, dude. Is that like I've come across all these conversations about otherworldly stuff and us being reincarnated and stuff like that. What if that's all pointing to the same thing? We're gonna give you we're gonna give you another shot. Watch them fuck it up again. Like, we gotta be up there face they gotta be up there just like face palming those fuck out of their heads.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:23

Yeah. I mean, we're what they're 4.5, 4.8 billion years old. I mean, do you know how many like different different times mankind could have rose up and then killed themselves and then rose up again and then just it's a repeating cycle over and over and over again.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:55

That's wild. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. But I think that's a I think that's a actually a decent place to stop. Like w like I said, everything has cause and effect. Not I I think we can both also agree nothing has everything's cause and effect. And everything happens for a reason, and what the reason is, maybe we're not supposed to know that reason until we're ready.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:21

And it's not up to know it all. And it's not up to us to be it's not it's not us to dictate that finish line.

unknown 1:25:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:31

It's out of it, it's out of our hands. No matter what you believe, it's out of our hands. And maybe that's the way it's supposed to be. Just a thought. Yeah. It's a good thought. But like I said, I think I think that's actually a pretty good place to go, Dano, after we do this, is like the is the AI stuff and the technology, since it'll be a pretty big segue into like we sort of touched on both, but I think we did more of like the otherworldly stuff this episode, so maybe we focus on the technology and like you know where that talk about like go ahead, ancient technology and then or what we're in right now. Yeah, and sort of extra sort of extract it to the fact of what we have now and where we you know how we came to logical conclusion or analytical conclusion that this made sense based off of where we've been. I think that's actually a pretty sick episode, so we might do that one for the next one. But sounds good. As always, dude, the the conversation took a turn. We we took a we took a couple, we took a couple left and right turns. So um yeah. I'm in I'm enjoying these. As long as we have a good topic, I think you guys will enjoy them too. And like I said, we probably could have gone for another half hour, 45 minutes to an hour with what we were going on. But like I said, we want to keep it digestible for you guys. We want to keep it something that maybe you guys can, you know, take on a trip with you and like listen while you're out on a on a hike or something like that. But I think we also probably agree that this is probably one of those podcasts, at least for you to get your money's worth out of it. At least what we do. We're pretty much sitting in the same spot the whole time. We're not moving around, our attention is sort of in the moment. So I think that that sort of speaks to what we want the podcast to be for you guys. I mean, you can disagree if you want to, dude, but I think I think that something like this that really taps into and we go off on tangents and stuff like that, you're gonna sort of forget where you're at. Um so just make sure that if you guys are listening to it, because we get a big we get a big dopamine kick out of this. We try to do it as often as we can for you guys. I mean, we have lives, we have families, that kind of stuff, so we have to take care of what we have to take care of. But I hope you guys are enjoying it. We've had, you know, we did a podcast with a couple buddies of ours, and this is doing as good or if not better, because we're being consistent, so we're gonna try to keep that up for you guys. But you have any more thoughts, Daniel, before we wrap up.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:58

It's just fun to put the tinfoil head on and not give a fuck.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:02

Yeah. I I I would genuinely agree with that. Just to sort of I don't want to say poke the bear, but poke the bear, right? Take it from a different angle, from a different perspective. It's fun. It's interesting. Because you can get a lot of you can get a lot of like useful talking points just by exploring the other side of something. I think that's really, really interesting. So um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:30

But at the same time, so much history out there. Well, there's just so much more information.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:34

Like I said, it's so much more that we don't know about, and whether we're supposed to know it about it or not remains to be seen. Yep. So, but we'll wrap up for you guys. We'll have this up on Spotify as quick as we can. Um, I'll probably edit it tonight and then have it up sometime tomorrow, whether it's in the um morning or afternoon or possibly early evening. Um, but I hope you guys enjoyed the episode. Like I said, we'll have it up on Spotify. We're gonna try to share it to some social media channels as well. We've already started sharing it on our Instagrams and stuff like that. Um, so if you guys are interested in checking it out, it'll be up there. And then I know that um we're gonna work on getting some like some some X handles and some other stuff so we can sort of make clips and maybe even possibly just post it to Twitter and stuff like that. So um without any further ado, we'll be back with another episode as quick as we can, and I hope you guys enjoyed it. And um we'll call that a podcast, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:30

Sounds good. See ya.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:31

Bye, everyone.