Shadows of Power: Do Secret Societies Really Rule the World?

In this episode of Obscuracast, we peel back the curtain on secret societies — from the Illuminati and Freemasons to Skull & Bones and the Bohemian Club. Are they truly pulling the strings of world events, or are they just misunderstood clubs wrapped in myth? We explore the origins, symbols, and real-world influence of these shadowy groups, along with our own theories on how deep the rabbit hole really goes.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:54

All right, everybody, welcome back to another episode of Obscuracast. As you guys know, we missed a week. I think Dano, Dan, didn't you have like a work trip that you were on or something? That's why we couldn't do it last week. Yeah, I was in Austin, Texas. Okay. Well, just to let everybody know, we're trying to do it on a weekly basis. We just had a little bit of a snafu and it's nobody's fault. We're we'll try to get back on our regular schedule for you guys because we were doing, we're sort of humming along there as far as views and stuff, so that's all good.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Um, there's a lot of engagement with the podcast, and obviously ultimately that's what we want. So we're really happy that you guys are supporting us and listening and and that kind of stuff. Um, if anybody doesn't know that's new to the podcast, we're also not only on Spotify, but we're also on Apple Music. So you can find any of the episodes on either of those platforms. We might look into doing maybe one other one. I think iHeart or uh iHeartRadio, I think, is the other one I was thinking of, Dano. So we might throw that in the next. Sounds good. But just wanted to thank you guys first and foremost for sticking with the podcast. I know we're a week past what we usually are, but we're back on it. And I know that a lot of the stuff that we've talked on here about and relation to like conspiracy theories and stuff like that, we want to sort of branch off with some of our topics. So we might do that in the coming episodes. We've sort of stayed with like the conspiracy theory theme for a little bit and we might sort of branch and do some other stuff. Because the last thing I think he would agree with me, Dan, I think you would agree with me that we we don't want to be one-dimensional. So the whole point of the podcast is to talk about stuff that's sort of off the cuff and like you like people that have listened to the podcast in the past, know that we just let the conversation sort of roll and it's just sort of goes wherever it goes. But the topic I think we agreed on tonight was um secret societies. So I I the the opening question that I sort of want to pose to you is um, do you think it's more of an otherworldly type of presence that is controlling things, or do you think it could be something more down home and on earth? Or do you th or the other side of that, just to round out the second part of it, is is one side controlling the other? So say like the otherworldly stuff is controlling the stuff on earth, and then those people are responsible for putting it into action. What do you think about that? Like those three scenarios, what do you think?

SPEAKER_02 3:12

I think good and evil are fighting constantly.

SPEAKER_03 3:20

Usually it tends to look like it's a little bit more powerful until good eventually comes in and kicks its ass. I know a lot of the secrets of society there's a lot of darkness to them. Some of them uh were you know have some light to them though, but uh it seems like we hear a lot more about the dark side, right? You know?

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Yeah, do you think that's do you think that's orchestrated? Do you think that's I guess is there another side of the argument where they're only pushing the negative narrative on purpose? Do you think that could be something?

SPEAKER_03 4:02

Or do you think that's I mean it could be it could be, you know, purposefully, you know. I mean, that's like what the CIA and FBI does, right? They do like the leak fake information. You know, so I don't know. It could be probably a little bit of that. I also think that, you know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I think a lot of people get into these societies because they think they're doing a good thing, and then unfortunately, with uh power comes corruption, and we're human beings just are thirsty for power and money and control. And it's very rare that you get somebody who doesn't take advantage of those things once they get a hold of them.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

Do you think so? I I guess to sort of round out that answer so I can sort of understand you better. Do you think it's sort of like a makeshift political debate where you're not trying to air somebody's dirty laundry, but at some point it just sort of has to come out?

SPEAKER_03 5:01

I think a lot of these societies use blackmailing for sure. You know, I mean, look at like with Epstein. That was a whole blackmail sex trafficking pedophilia ring to bring in high-class celebrities and politicians and people of power, get them fucked up on alcohol and drugs and whatnot, and then film them and take pictures of them doing fucked up shit. So that way, when push comes to shove, if they need a policy pass, if they need a bill signed, if they need money for whatever, or they want to push a narrative or an agenda on TV or whatever, if you push back, they're gonna say, Hey, that's fine, just to let you know. If you don't do this, this is gonna get released to the public in every news media, and you're gonna be, you know, ousted and castrated and all that stuff. So it's yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

It's a slippery slope, right? It's either all of it comes out or it doesn't come out at all, right? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 6:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

So it's, you know, really yeah. Yes, the one thing I wanted to touch on too is that like you see, we say all this stuff about, you know, we just sort of harped on and sort of touched on the fact that they exist for different reasons. Like, not of them all I I would I would tend to think that not all of them, and I know for sure that not all of these secret societies are with malicious intent, at least they didn't start out that way. But like, like a lot of the stuff that I've read about at least secret societies, yeah, their methods are a little out there, but at the same time, like, for example, you had you know, people back in the day that were considered celebrities and are even considered celebrities today as free thinkers were in some of those societies. So, like, how do you feel about the fact that, like, for example, I might I might be might be getting the society wrong, but I know that like Galileo and philosophers of that time period were in certain secret societies. Mm-hmm. They were thought of as like, you know, the vast majority of the Illuminati lore is that they were a danger to the Catholic Church, and you can take that however you want. Whether they were a danger or not doesn't really matter, but they've sort of morphed into this, like nowadays, at least from what I've read and what I've done the research on, they've sort of morphed into this like malevolent force. Do you think that was do you think that that has just sort of come out of desperation, or what do you think that sort of attributes to of them, you know, going from a essentially a group of philosophers and free thinkers to this global corporate entity that controls everything we do, controls the narrative of the media, controls all of that stuff. How do you do you think that's just a sign of desperation? That's something that's come out of necessity, or how do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_03 7:51

I think that the Illuminati, here's here's here's the thing. If you really, really, really, really study it and go deep, deep down, a lot of the, you know, the Illuminati, um, and all those societies, Freemasonry, Skull and Bones, of which that's the Yale University Secret Society. Almost every president, you know, the United States is a part of either Skull and Bones or Illuminati. I forget what the Harvard one is, but I'll look it up. Take Illuminati, for instance. You can connect a lot of the Illuminati to the Knights Templar and Freemasonry to the Knights Templar. I think what happened was is you have early sacred societies, even going back to Osiris and the ancient Egyptians and Romans. I don't know if they ever fully died. I think they just evolved. You know, I have a very hard time believing that when Pope they would Pope Francis, the Knights Templars, X amount of money, and that's why he killed all of them. Basically, I have a hard time believing that they just all went away, or the ones that escaped France all went away and didn't still meet and didn't have kids and didn't teach them the secret ways, and then you know, they met with each other. I I don't think it died. I think it evolved into I think they keep evolving. That's what I think. So whether it's whether it's good or bad, you're just saying it's an evolution. And I think there could be a split, you know, and and so like what take Freemasonry, for instance.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

Which is one of the big uh we're actually gonna get into the big three. That's one of the big three. I'm actually glad you brought them up because they're like sort of the foundation.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

Yeah, so there are secret societies inside secret societies.

SPEAKER_00 9:43

Right. There's different sects of the society itself. It's how big how big is the spider web, is I guess is the question for each one.

SPEAKER_03 9:50

Yeah, you got Knights of Columbus and you got all sorts of stuff. So yeah, it's it's crazy when you do a deep dive on it.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

So uh the big three that we're gonna talk about, obviously we mentioned the first two already. So the Freemasons and the Illuminati, and then the other big one that I was looking up, and I actually looked up the uh I think I know the Harvard one that you're talking about. I looked it up while you were talking. Is it the Porcellian Club? I think so, yeah. So the Porcellian Club, I I actually knew what you were talking about. I just couldn't pinpoint the name because I've heard of it. I've you know. Um it's a s it's essentially a fraternity, you know, whatever you want to. It's a group of group of Harvard, I think they're students, I'm pretty sure. Or they're academia, or if they are academia, they're former academ uh academics of Harvard. All students. Okay. So essentially what it is is it's like a select group of guys, and it's like a it's a fraternity, it's the one of the most prestigious fraternities or societies in uh in the scholastic realm. Like other you obviously mentioned the skull and boats thing from Yale, but this would be like their counterpoint for Harvard, because obviously Harvard and Yale don't they don't really mesh, they don't really like each other. But I guess where we'll start is the foundations of the Freemason stuff. Like what the Freemasons started out to be, at least from what I can gather, is they were started out of like old school and like a rise from stonemation guilds. So like I I guess what I would say that is if I had to put something like a word on it, is sort of like a not a guild, but like a union, like we have now. So like a lot of unions, especially in the corporate world, stick together. You have union benefits, you have union dues, that kind of thing. I would have to imagine that even back then, when they started or it was formed as an actual like group of people, I would I would wonder if they had the same kind of constraints where like you had to pay so much to be a member, or you had to do so much to be a member, and all that kind of stuff. But they've sort of woven their way. I mean, the Freemasons sort of were the foundation, like I said, no pun intended, but their their reach and their like influence over pretty much the world is basically what started and sort of folded into the other one. So like the Freemasons were like the foundation, like I said before. Um, but they've woven themselves into into politics, into architecture, into religion, into every single facet of human existence. When does that turn into an autonomy, or has it already turned into an autonomy, and what does that mean going forward? Because, like I said, that the foundation for pretty much every other society, from what I've read and the research that I've done, they've sort of taken the torch and sort of passed it on and sort of formed these other sects of different secret societies. So I guess when does it become an autonomy and when does it become dangerous? Like, you have too much sway. Is there not is there a there a tipping point where it becomes too much sway and then you have a problem? Like, where do you where do you stand on that that point?

SPEAKER_03 13:01

I mean, yeah, you could definitely have too much sway if you have enough, you know, politicians and famous people involved. You know, because you gotta think. I mean, there's and and you know, before the Freemasons you had the Rus Assyrians, which those were they were from Europe in the si early sixteen hundreds. Before them you had the medieval guilds and you had the Knights Templars in the eleven hundreds to thirteen hundreds, and you know, a lot of the the Ros Assyrians, the Freemasons and Illuminati, they took their they took their traditions from the Knights Templar. And the Knights Templar took their traditions from Roman secret cults and Egypt and that stuff. Uh the the rituals um are very symbolic and we talk about a lot of symbolism in these. I think that they are autonomous to an extent. Especially with the rituals, right? You everyone starts at the beginning, everyone starts at the very lowest point, and then they work their way up. But anytime you get a bunch of powerful people together in the same organization, I mean it happens in every facet. It happens in your local government, government at a nationwide level, not just the US, but all over the world and probably worse in other countries. Hell, it happens in sports organizations. So any organization that gets too many, too much money and too much power, it's it usually doesn't end up very good.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

I mean the vast and you're not dealing necessarily with people that are unintelligent, I guess is the right word. You're dealing with the vast majority, at least for some of these, they're sort of the philosophers and the scientists and whatever, you know, whatever that are at the top of the food chain. It's the whole it's the whole reason that they're there.

SPEAKER_03 15:06

Mm-hmm. A lot of secret teachings. They have they you know, there's a lot of hidden knowledge that you learn, especially the higher up you go, and there's, you know, how to manifest, you know, fame and riches and all sorts of stuff and rituals to do it. I mean, you know, it's and it's a brotherhood, right? It's networking.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Well, that's that was the other thing is that was the other thing too, is that one of the things I wanted to sort of point to is that it's it's sort of a matter of protection. It's like-minded individuals that for better or for worse see the same values and see the same point of view you do or POV. And as human beings, at least for my part, we tend to gravitate towards stuff that makes us comfortable. Um whether whether that's money, whether it's company, whether it's pleasure, whether, you know, whatever your you know, vice of choice is, we like to have a state of comfort, whether it's detrimental or not.

SPEAKER_03 16:06

And a lot of these also dealt big time with religion. Yeah. With biblical, biblical traditions, and you know, it was it was a real religious thing too. So there's that.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

The other thing I wanted to get into too was so it was sort of talked about the Freemasons, like I said. And you could disagree or agree or disagree if you if you want to, it's your prerogative. It's like they were sort of like the first like ones to make the jump into being like uh I guess the right word is influential. I mean, all the all the I mean, all of these are probably influential in some form or fashion, but they were like the first like celebrity group of people, I guess, quote unquote celebrity, to throw themselves in every facet of of human existence. And then the really cool one that we talked about is probably somebody, you know, you guys probably know a little bit more about the Illuminati than the Freemasons, because the Freemasons are really, really intricate. And then the other one we wanted to talk about that people might know, and I'm a huge Dan Brown fan, and he talks about Dan and Dan Brown's a writer. So if you guys have ever seen like Angels and Demons or read those books or Da Vinci Code, that's Dan Brown. He deals a lot with the Illuminati. So if you guys have never heard of the Illuminati, a lot of people should know the Illuminati, or at least heard the term before or the or the group name. But that's sort of what I wanted to get into too, and we'll talk about one more after we're done with this and just sort of segue into the other ones. But I think these are probably the two that people would know the most about or have heard of the most. Like I said, from my perspective, what I've read and the research I've done and the books and stuff that I've read, at least, you know, secondhand account, third hand account, stuff like that, they weren't originally like a malevolent force. They were basically, you know, for better or worse, driven underground due to religious persecution. Basically, you know, the church said that anything outside of religious, you know, talk and going against the church was a bad thing, and that's what uh ultimately drove drove them underground and into a secret society in the first place. Now they're being seen as like this malevolent force that holds sway over anything and everything we do in the history of man. Where do you think that disconnect happened? Like I said, it goes back to the question: was it out of desperation? Was it because they saw something and they took a hold of it and couldn't let go? How do you feel about that? As far as from the people on the outside looking in? Yeah, so like if you were to give well, give me both sides. Give me both sides. So what you think, and then sort of the public perception.

SPEAKER_03 18:37

I think, like I said, that they understand this, you know, if you take the universe and this earth, everything is made up of symbols. Right. Right? Math, mathematics, and symbols.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

Well, our own speaking language is symbols.

unknown 18:52

Right.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

Like it's just a collection of symbols that happen to make a word, and phonically it makes sense to us because we've heard it our entire life.

SPEAKER_03 18:59

And you get into frequencies, and even the frequencies have symbols when you look at the sound waves, and it's crazy. I think that they've mastered that. They've mastered understanding it. They understand the secrets of symbology and and how the universe works. That's what I think. That's from an internal standpoint, and they have these traditions and these, you know, initiation rites and and stuff like that. And this is what ruined the Knights Templar was same the same thing. Because the Knights Templar, back in their time, they were very fucking popular. They were bankers, they owned, I had a lot of political power and stuff, just like the Freemasons do now. And what happened was is that which is exactly what we're getting into with Freemasonry and Illuminati. People on the outside that don't know what the fuck's going on. People don't like not knowing things, right? If somebody doesn't know something, if somebody doesn't know what something is, we as human beings we tend to fear that or think negatively towards it. That's kind of human nature, I think.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:08

So people looking on the outside in go, you know, they see an initiation going on or hear about an initiation, it's like, ooh, that sounds kind of dark. Like initiation ritual, like a ritual. You know, you hear about like blood sacrifices and human sacrifice for rituals because that's what the ancient Aztecs and Mayans did. I think that's where everybody's minds go. So, you know, I I don't do I think everybody that's in them is evil. No, but uh again, I think the higher you go, there's more corruption. Personally, I don't personally know anyone that is is in Freemasonry or Illuminati for that that standpoint. But uh you know, I'm with my understanding of some studying that I've done to it and talking with people who do know people that are in these things, it seems like a lot of them aren't just in one. It seems like a lot of them are, you know, if you're in the skull and bones, that's your first initiation into a secret society. And then and this is excluding Freemasonry, but we can get to that in a second. Okay, you're in the skull and bones. Now, once you're in the skull and bones, once you are out of Yale and you go into the big world where you're either gonna be a politician or a businessman, because that's all they take, is politicians, you're gonna be a future politician, you're gonna be a businessman. Okay, you get into real world now, now that you've graduated from Skull and Bones, and you know we got you raping some girl in a dorm on video, she was underage. Great. Now we can blackmail you, and now you're in the Illuminati. Because the thing is they have dirt on everyone.

SPEAKER_02 22:02

But they they blackmail each other so that way it holds everybody accountable.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

So the highest person has shit on them and the lowest person has shit on them. And that's how they keep each other locked in.

SPEAKER_00 22:19

So then the so then the question does become what is is it really worth it? So like I you said I mean that's not mence words. There's there's and this is going to sort of segue into our next segment here in just a second after we covered that because we're gonna cover your skull and bones too, just to sort of round out the big three in the portfolio that we're talking about. Um I guess my question is it's no secret that the internet and computing and all that stuff and interconnection has has been great for us. The problem on the flip side of that is that everything that you've ever said, talked about, taken a picture of, everything about you is somewhere saved. So if you have a social media profile, if you've ever sent a picture to somebody, if you have a cell phone, period, your life is documented on said device for the rest of time until they get rid of it. Yeah, and they're always listening to you, right? And that's what we talked about before because I think an episode before the I think it was the episode before, maybe the AI episode.

SPEAKER_03 23:24

AI. It was the AI episode.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

We talked about that phone that you were talking about. What was it called again? I'm blanking. Up phone. Yeah. The problem I had with that phone was the fact that it was made by a former Apple employee. It looks just like an iPhone. So I guess my question is what is security?

SPEAKER_03 23:45

I think they wanted it to look like an iPhone and function like an iPhone because people would know how to use it very easily. They just wanted an iPhone with security.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

Yeah, I I understand that. I guess I get that from a certain standpoint. It's something familiar, but it's not what it's like. It's the appearance is kind of deceiving. It's kind of like the same thing with like the RFID wallets and shit like that, right? They look like a regular wallet, but they block the ability to like scan your credit cards through the wall and all that kind of shit. I I could see how you yeah, I guess I could see your point on that. That's like what I got right here. Yeah, I have one too. I I noted I actually noticed it was working because I had a key fob at work and it was in my wallet, and I tried to scan the door and it didn't work.

SPEAKER_03 24:26

And you couldn't scan it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:27

Yeah, I wouldn't take it.

SPEAKER_03 24:29

Yeah, so I mean like with with the the up phone, you know, also you gotta think too, those guys are like central intelligence people too. They don't want something that looks different from everybody else. Because it'll sort of be a target. They want to blend in. Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

That's that's another I guess if you look at it from that perspective, it makes a little bit more sense. But at the same time, like I said in the other episode, I don't get too far off tangent here, but the one thing I had a problem with was that it was the C or it was a CEO or somebody high up within the Apple community had a did had a design the phone. And my problem was that if if I'm gonna take this person's word for it, I want to see how he you know he views Apple after he left the company and all that kind of stuff. I want to see sort of where he stands on that. But anyways, the third one we wanted to get into as far as the society is going, the big three was the skull and bones that you talked about. Now, like it's like we said, that's a Yale University thing, probably the exact same counterpoint or some of the same idea that the Porcellian was for Harvard, or is for Harvard rather, because it's it's not like it went anywhere. That one is primarily, like you said, presidents, CEOs, and government officials. So we're talking, if we're talking about a big three, that would have to be the big three that sort of govern not the economy, because we'll get into another one. I want to sort of the Illuminati also are not just segmented to intellectuals. They also hold sway over pop culture because there's been a lot of talk about different celebrities and different public figures and that kind of shit. In movies and TV shows, movies, TV shows, how they manipulate the meat mass media outlets and all that kind of stuff, whether it's a movie, TV show, talk show, you name it.

SPEAKER_03 26:17

And CIA is highly involved in it. Right. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 26:22

But you see it in music videos of like quote unquote Illuminati stuff being done, whether it's hand signals, propaganda that's hidden in the music video somewhere with like a pattern of people or something like that. You see it all the time with the symbolism and the celebrity rumors and all that kind of stuff. In your opinion, with societies or secret societies in general, do you think the economy and pop culture are the two most important things that they hold sway over? Or do you think there's more to it than that? Do you think those are the two big ones? Because I I tend to think that if you hold sway over people's public opinion, that would be like your celebrities and what they're doing and what's sort of quote unquote accepted within society as well as how society works from an economic standpoint. Do you agree with that, or do you think there's another, like another piece to that, or where do you stand on that one?

SPEAKER_03 27:13

Oh, I totally agree with it because I think 90% of people are stupid. They don't think for themselves. Like, there are people out there who are going to vote on politics based upon how LeBron James thinks if he talks about politics, or if he wears a certain if LeBron James is holding an iPhone, most kids are gonna go get a fucking iPhone. I wouldn't even say kids, I would say just people in general. Just adult people in general, right? Right. If LeBron James tomorrow decided, you know what, I'm gonna get rid of my iPhone and get a Samsung, most people would be jumping for towards a fucking Samsung, you know, and and it could be it could be, you know, Tom Brady, it could be fucking Beyonce, whoever, it doesn't matter. And any celebrity star, Tom Cruise, fucking that's why he's got so many people in Scientology, because they get fucking Tom Cruise and all these celebrities to fucking go join it, which that's not even a secret society, that's just a religious cult, but whatever. The other one, too, the other one too, that's still go. Have you ever heard of the Bohemian Club?

SPEAKER_00 28:25

Oh, actually, I'm actually gonna touch on it here in a second. Okay, cool. Yeah. So with with the with the US politics and foreign policy and all that stuff, and then you have the flip side of like pop culture. So you agree with the fact that those are probably the two most important things that hold sway over society is how things work from an economic standpoint as well as what the general population deems as right or wrong.

SPEAKER_03 28:48

Yeah, yeah, because like think about like Fox and CNN, right? Two fucking extremes, but at the end of the day, they're owned by the same goddamn people. And what they're gonna do is they're gonna try to spread each other and separate this country because if we're all the the people are fighting each other and we can't agree and we can't unite and be a unity like we're supposed to be, so we can tell these politicians to go fuck themselves. You're supposed to vote for us, you know, because that's the problem, is that I don't care who you vote for, they're not voting for us. They're voting for whoever donated to their fucking campaign, their political campaign for election or re-election. Their donors, like Pfizer and Pepsi, and fucking, you know, Johnson and Johnson and BP, British Patrolevan, all these huge companies that donate millions of dollars to these people's election campaigns, they're not doing that to be nice. They're doing that because they own them. Now that politician owes them a fucking favor. And like how, and this goes in with the secret societies, okay?

SPEAKER_00 30:10

Like, do you know what a lobbyist is? To a certain degree, I don't know that I don't know the Webster's dic dictionary definition, but essentially it's What's your definition of it? Well, my contention is essentially a lobbyist would be somebody that is has something to gain from that person moving up in the world, let's say. Let's cut it down to something general. They have something to gain, so they're gonna put forth the effort, money, whatever. Whatever the whatever the thing is that they can push that person forward with exposure, money. Whatever. That's essentially what I would say from that standpoint is that that's what that's what a lobbyist would be to me.

SPEAKER_03 30:48

Okay. You want the very simple definition or a very simple answer to what a lobbyist is?

SPEAKER_02 30:57

It's legal bribery.

SPEAKER_03 30:59

Yeah, I that's the short that's the shorthand version, yeah. That's legal bribery. Do you know that I looked this up? If I wanted to, if I owned a company, which I did at one point, okay, actually look this up. You gotta be an owner of a company, of a of a corporation. And and uh for a fee out here in Pittsburgh in the city that that I'm in, fifty thousand dollars, I could go get a lobbyist license. At all costs, fifty grand, go get a lobby license, and then I would legally be allowed to go to any politician that I want and donate to him so that way he will owe me a favor later and vote to how I want them to vote to push policies. How in the fuck is that legal?

SPEAKER_00 31:57

Is it at the state level or are you talking federal level? It happens at all levels. Okay. So you're saying just on a on a on a on a scale from one to ten. Yeah, so I'm so basically every single every you're I just want to sort of get where your head's at as far as that's concerned. So with the lobbyist stuff, do you think every politician is guilty of lobbyism?

SPEAKER_02 32:26

Yeah, they have to be.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

Right.

SPEAKER_03 33:24

You're already 50% of the way there. You got the congressman who can do insider trading. But if you and I did what they did with the knowledge, if I knew that X company that my buddy worked for was going to do a new deal that was gonna send the stock scoring high, some new deal, and I put in a fucking trade three days before that went public, and then I made a fuck ton of money off of that, I would be investigated by the IRS and I'd be thrown in jail. But if you're a congressman, you can do that and you don't get in trouble. You have insider trading privilege. What is that? All these people are friends with each other.

SPEAKER_00 34:04

That's why they do this. I mean, we've already we we've seen it with a couple people as far as insider trading. I mean, they get a slap on the wrist. You look at somebody like Martha Stewart who was on house arrest. I mean, not to not to take shots at not necessarily at just her, but like it's a multitude of people. She's the one at the top of my head I can think about that, you know, if you or I did it, we'd be we'd be seeing the inside of a jail cell.

SPEAKER_03 34:29

I was about to say, if you're a if you're a Joe Schmoe nobody, they're gonna throw the book at you. But if you're in Congress, you're a part of these societies, you're getting, you know, it's a fucking joke. You're gonna have an ankle monitor on, and you know, you're gonna be able to fucking go to the badminton club and what like come on. It's fucking you know, it they're on a whole different level. I mean, you asked earlier, is it worth it? I have integrity and I have a soul and a conscience, and I can't I can't sell my soul like that. I don't care how much money. I don't care how much money, I don't care how much women and fucking parties and and shit.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

I'm good. I'm good. Cause eventually they're gonna come calling for you.

SPEAKER_03 35:22

And I mean if you have a family, then they're gonna start threatening your fucking wife and kids.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

Fuck that.

SPEAKER_03 35:34

Fuck that. Like everyone's like, oh, I could ask this sometimes. If you won the lottery, what would you do? If I won the lottery, there'd be like maybe two people that would fucking know. I would disappear. I would want to be the person that gets rich and makes a lot of money and nobody knows who the fuck I am.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

That's what I would want. Like an Adam Sandler or Keanu Reeves, like just be gone. Or even somebody in the mainstream music industry, because you touched on Beyoncé, is somebody like Jake Hole, for example. I don't know how much I don't know how much anybody on this podcast fucks with Jake Hole, but he's on the same tip as like Adam Sandler and Keanu Reeves, bro. He walked that man's got so much money and literally walks around in sweatpants. It's phenomenal. I love it. Yeah. That's what I would do. I would dress like a bum. Just living his fucking life, doing what he wants and not living outside his means. It's beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 36:29

I would live in a mediocre house. I would get like a nice truck, and you know, I'd probably have a vacation home in one or two places.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

That'd be it. Yeah, it's like it's like you see, like, just as take sports for example. You see all these guys that like lose their ass when they retire. Like, it's either through, you know, a couple things that have sort of plagued the the sports industry, has been like gambling, or you know, that's probably the big one that a lot of guys suffer with, or even women suffer with. I'm not just gonna put it towards guys. I mean, I'm sure there's some women that are ex-athletes or athletes right now that have problems, not just gambling, not just to sort of pigeonhole that way, but well, I think the big one, bigger than the gambling.

SPEAKER_03 37:18

I mean, the gambling is big, but I think it's the gambling, the strip clubs slash parties, but also the I think the bigger one than those two is the the the families. You know, you got second, third, first cousins asking for a fucking handout. Look at how many people were living at Michael Vick's fucking house and Alan Iverson's fucking house, and you know, all these guys make it out of the the bad areas that they grew up in, and it's like, you know, you want to help mom, dad, brother, and sister, that's one thing, but you know, the the biggest thing that the agents and these not now the good thing is is that these colleges are teaching these athletes how to protect their money and how to invest their money and like your your favorite word better be no. Like, get rid of your get rid of your fucking leeches that are your so-called friends and brothers, because most of them aren't. They're just there because you're good at ball and they see dollar signs and they're part of your entourage. Like, if they're not helping you be the best version of yourself, you need to get the fuck rid of them. And most, you know, I would say musicians and athletes, I wouldn't necessarily say actors, but I'm sure it's happened with like celebrity actors and stuff. But really, like in the music industry and and sports world, if your fucking entourage can just fucking kill you.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

That's literally in financial. It's the guilty by association type of thing, right? It's like you could have somebody that's like your cousin's brother's sister's uncle, right? Something that crazy, and they do something, let's bad, right? You could suffer the consequences if you're a big enough public figure and they make a big enough stink about it.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:20

But even even to sort of sort of, like I said, we were gonna segue into the modern, like way secret societies are sort of, you know, spider webbed in their society. I wanted to sort of take it to that tip where like we talked about like the old secret societies and that kind of stuff. You mentioned the Bohemian Club, and then there's another one that I wanted to talk about called the Bilderberg Group, have you heard of them? So you might have a little bit more of a segment of them. I don't know much about these two, so give me a little bit of like context and on what they're all about and how they sort of fit into that narrative of being like the modern secret society or like the technology-based form of a secret society, like how it's sort of how it's sort of um evolved over time.

SPEAKER_03 40:11

The Bohemian Club, that was I think it was founded in like the late 1800s. It's in Northern California in the Redwood Forest. They own a couple hundred acres, it's like a campground, and you gotta be invited, and it's all the elite people. Presidents go there, world leaders go there. Um uh, you know, they'll they'll have famous musicians go there to entertain. They have the rituals where they dress up in robes and hoods, and there's this uh there's an owl called fucking Elock or something fucking crazy. That's actually Bohemian Grove is what made Alex Jones famous because him and another guy, I forget his name, they broke in and filmed the rituals going on and recorded people talking. Richard Nixon, there's a fucking awesome recording of him talking about Bohemian Grove, and he said, Pardon my language, this is a quote from Nixon, so don't crucify me, people. But he was talking to somebody, and he said, Yeah, I've been to Bohemian Grove. He said, That is the faggiest fucking place on the planet. I guess there's a lot of uh brotherly love with the old uh schlongs going on, a lot of nudity, orgies and shit. Yeah, it's kinda fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

And it's like guys only. No women are allowed. Um it's it's weird.

SPEAKER_03 41:47

It's weird. But they also have like these dinners where they are they'll talk about the you know, World Economic Forum and they'll talk about policies and like they're having these closed behind the door meetings and conferences at these fucking weird ass you know, some of these societies is these weird sex cults and trafficking rings in 'em. Like Bilderberg and Rothschilds, those go back way a little earlier than you're gonna find on mainstream media on the history of 'em. Because the R the Rothschilds and those they that family has started every goddamn war for the last like two to three thousand years. If you actually read the real history of the Rothschilds and Bilderbergs. So it's I mean And again, a lot of these people, Blake, are all in the same clubs. They're all in the same societies, they're at diff just different levels. So it's it's there's a couple good documentaries you you could read or watch. I'm sorry, there's a couple good documentaries you could watch, or some really good books that you can read, but it's it's crazy. Um you know, again, that do a lot of shit. They take pictures and videos so they can blackmail these politicians and again hold each other accountable to be like, hey, if you say anything that doesn't fit the narrative, or you go back on your word of what you said here, we're gonna release the shit.

SPEAKER_00 43:23

Yeah, it makes I mean it's so we talked about sort of like the pop culture and the pop culture and the economic standpoints of like what would hold sway over society. Transitioning to now in the tech world, being a tech guy, so like for one example, I don't know if you guys know who um anonymous is. So anonymous is a digital hacker that basically is He sort of plays the middle ground. He's kind of a white hat and he's kind of a black hat. Um, but what he does is sort of like he's sort of a whistleblower. And and I use the I use the he because he's genuinely thought to be a man. Could be a woman, I don't know. That could be a part of the facade, I don't know. But essentially, he is more or less responsible for leaking information. That's, you know, it's either detrimental or it's positive, right? It's one of the two. But the whole shtick of him releasing the information is being that a whistleblower, giving you the information from a tech perspective of like cybersecurity snafus and like what really happened in cybersecurity cases that they're not telling you, and all this sort of stuff dealing with tech and computers and things like that. Were we gonna say? Is that like Snowden? So Snowden Snowden is a little different. Um, Snowden was like a uh nobody knows who who Anonymous is. Does that make sense? Like he he's a figure in its name. Yeah, it's in the name. He's he's a tech figure that nobody really knows or has a bead on uh of who he is. Edward Snowden at least has a name put to him, right? We at least know who the whistleblower was. Well, I was just saying whistleblower, so it's like this just from from that perspective, yes. Yeah, from that perspective, it's the exact same scenario. But the reason I mention Anonymous and him being one of the prolific figures inside of the tech world is how these societies have sort of gone the route of you know, social media and not just social media, but tech in general, media and finance, how those how the underground groups have sort of morphed into these online groups because of the intricacies of the internet and how tech has sort of revolutionized things with meeting people and blogs and Twitter and well, Twitter now X, YouTube, Reddit, all this stuff has become available to us by the click of a mouse button. My question to you would be is that something that makes it more dangerous? Because I would agree that it would. I think I think you'd be stupid and not necessarily stupid, but unintelligent to think that the revolutionary the revolution that was the internet and the interconnectivity we got from it makes things so much easier than it used to be because before you had to make you had to meet in the same place, there was a designated time, you know who was coming, that kind of thing. Some of these platforms, especially the groups, if we're talking about secret societies, there's an open platform. You're allowed to come in and just start talking. Some of it, some of it is tucked under the rug as a secret society, but some of this stuff, like I said, we don't know who Anonymous is. I don't think there's been any beat on who he actually is or who the person or the you know person behind the mask is, but at the same time, it's a figure, right?

SPEAKER_02 47:11

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 47:13

So I I like I guess like I said, I would argue that stuff now is so much more dangerous because of the internet interconnectivity. How do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_03 47:22

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 47:25

I mean, they're gonna get they're gonna.

SPEAKER_03 47:29

I just don't know how like you're gonna get hacked at some point, right? At some point, you're gonna get hacked.

SPEAKER_00 47:37

I mean, there's only I mean, yeah, I mean, technically speaking, there's only so much you can do. You can salt the wounds, so to speak, so you can like you can make things worse, but at the same time, at some point, at and it and it and it sort of goes with the same conversation of stuff evolving. Tech is only getting more intricate. People are learning how to do it better. You know, a couple only like 20, 30, 40 years ago, building a computer was something that some you had to know how to do it, right? Like you had to know every piece of hardware, you had to know. I mean, it's gotten so hobbyist, and as somebody that's in the tech industry and builds computers in my spare time, it's become so hobbyist and so quote unquote easy to put a computer together than it was 30, 40 years ago. It's insane.

SPEAKER_03 48:27

Well, and now you have AI that can just dude. I could write code for something, not knowing dick about code, because I could just have AI write the fucking code. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:40

That's I mean that gets in that gets into the I know we talked about generative and deep thinking AI on the last or two episodes ago, or the last episode, it's two episodes ago. Yeah. That's a scary thought, too, is that you could go into a blog or a group or a Discord channel or whatever, and you're not even talking to a real person. Yeah, and how do you know? Yeah, and then and then that's what I'm saying is that like you look at stuff like we talked about with Dfake and all that stuff, that just we've like with the whether it's good or bad, whether we knew what it was going to do or not, there you can make a case for the internet being a good thing, and you make the case for the internet being a bad thing. It depends on your perspective, your POV, and how you see the world. And how you see it and how you see the application of said internet and all that interconnectivity and the way it works and all that kind of stuff. So, I mean, you could you could play both sides of the fence, you could play both sides of the argument.

SPEAKER_03 49:35

I would also say though, it it goes off of how you use it.

SPEAKER_00 49:40

Well, that's what I'm saying. That's that's sort of like how your application, what do you, what are you putting it towards? What's the application that you're throwing it at? All that kind of stuff. Because if you're doing it in a way that's not hurting anyone, quote unquote, like it goes back to the principles that we talked about in a couple of previous episodes. It's like if you're not hurting anybody, you're not hurting yourself, and you're not a detriment to let's let let's say the common good, live your life, dude. Like, like literally, but like at the same time, with great power, you have to have that responsibility aspect too. It's a Spider-Man quote, right? You have to understand that your reach goes way past nowadays a closed room. Your reach with social media and social networking and Facebook and X and Reddit and Google and everything, what you say is cemented for the rest of time unless they get rid of it, which were the what they're never gonna do. Because of what we were sort of what we were calling back to before with the with the holding sway and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 50:49

Well, I think that for secret societies so the internet and social media is like a blessing and a curse, because to your point, now like something you said on the internet or you did when you were fourteen, you know, let's say you're a white kid in Nab you know Dakota and you were an idiot and you dropped the fucking N-word because you were reciting a rap song, that's out there, and then you go to run for politics one day, and some troll or someone, you know, someone on the fucking d society's gonna pull it up and go, Hey, remember when you did this? Do you want this to go away? Or do you want me to release this to everybody? Yeah, and that's like a minor fucking thing. I mean, it there's shit that could way, way deeper and darker than that, but like, you know, that would be the blessing for them. I think that the curse for the secret societies, I would assume that they they don't they don't put I'm gonna go ahead and say they don't put their shit out on the internet for people to find, but with people like Anonymous and these these IT hacking people, like I would assume that these secret societies also now are using companies or getting their own IT people to you know for data protection so that way their their stuff is more secured, but you know, I also feel like with them be maybe not the Bilderbergs, because they're more finance and stuff like that, but I would assume for Freemasons and Illuminati and those where they're way more traditional and have these ancient rituals and stuff, I would feel hard pressed to think that they're putting too much stuff on computers. You know what I mean? Now I'm like they I'm sure they have conversations on their phones, but I would assume. I mean, I went to when I was in Austin, I went to the comedy mothership. Okay. When you go there, you gotta turn your phone off and they put it in a bag, like this, it's almost like that wall in the wall you were talking about. Yeah. Like you put in a bag and it seals, and like you can't open it. They have to open it with a device and it like blocks the phone from anything. So I would assume they probably have something like that when they go into these meetings, where you know, you gotta leave your phone somewhere else and they go and do their thing. Or they could be dumb and not, I don't know, but Yeah. I would assume that if they're doing that at a fucking comedy club because they're worried about you know, people's phones recording or doing whatever, I would assume that these high secret societies would be doing the same thing, so I you know two people sneak in and sneak hammers in. Well, you know, twenty, thirty years ago Alex Jones did it. It's probably a lot harder to do it now, but I'm sure people do it.

SPEAKER_02 54:11

And God bless your heart if you get fucking caught. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

I I I guess I guess I would tend to assume that there are ways around. I mean, just like anything, like I said, tech is always evolving. So I mean like we have literally a supercomputer in our pocket these days. It's not just a phone, it's it is a computer, it is a device, it is a multifaceted, multitasking device. You can go on the internet, you can go on social media, you can go, you can take pictures, you can do videos, you can do whatever. When we were kids, we had like six or seven things to do all that. You had a video camera, and then you had a then you had a you know snapshot camera where you remember the old day where you had to fucking wind the shit and you only had 24 disposable cameras?

SPEAKER_03 55:04

Maybe. Yeah, Kodak disposable cameras.

SPEAKER_00 55:07

Even before that, you had to take a snap and then you had to wave the motherfucker for it to actually develop and come out.

SPEAKER_03 55:11

Polaroid. Yep. Hell yeah. Polaroid camera.

SPEAKER_00 55:15

It's crazy just to see like just in the last, just the time we've been alive, how much things have changed from a from a information perspective and what's being what's able to be circulated and that kind of thing. It's kind of mind-blowing.

SPEAKER_02 55:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:29

Is there a uh is there like I know like we talked about like anonymous and stuff like that, but is there like a I guess a secret society digitally that like intrigues you that you think like anonymous is like one person, right? That's like one person, is that what they think?

SPEAKER_00 55:48

Okay, yeah, essentially he's like the figurehead of a I think he's a figurehead of a couple different places or a couple different groups.

SPEAKER_03 55:55

So do you think that there's like an actual like digital secret society where there's like an actual like bunch of there's multiple is there what's like what's one that you know of there's dark side, there's dark side, which he's a part of, there's revel the other two that I know Tailored Access uh Operations is another one, and then like it's a triple C.

SPEAKER_00 56:25

Give me a second.

SPEAKER_02 56:26

You're good. Chaos Computer Club. Chaos Computer Club. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 56:32

But those are the like you have like your I guess what I would I guess it's kind of an in it's kind of an interesting play on words. What I would sort of dictate as what anonymous is from that from a figurehead standpoint, he's a hacktivist. So like essentially what he's trying to do, and like I said, he's decentralized. So he doesn't play one side, he doesn't play a positive route, he doesn't play a negative route. He sort of tries to be for whatever it's worth unbiased and just gives you the information.

SPEAKER_03 57:06

He just releases the information and you take with it what you will.

SPEAKER_00 57:10

Exactly. So in that standpoint, I kind of dig it because he's not biased. Um information is information, it's just like this podcast. If you don't want to listen to the podcast, pause it, turn it off, close it. And I I I know I'm not gonna sit here and say I don't want you to listen to it, but at the same time, if it's not something that you're interested in or something that gets your juices flowing, then it's not worth the effort. Because we talk about all the time on this podcast, dude, and and we talk about it pretty much every episode, is that the the point of the show and the point of the things we talk about is not to stir up anything. It's to it's to genuinely explore topic, usually, if not 100% of the time from both sides, and trying to find just more information about it and try to see it from both sides of the coin. And that's what I sort of dig about the stuff like that is that from a tech perspective, you could say he's bad, you could say he's good, you could say he's in the middle. It's all about your POV and your perspective. That goes with anything. It's not, I'm just using him as like an example. But then you have your black hat hackers that are just out to you know scam you and throw ransomware on your laptop or your home computer and try to get money from you and things like that. And then there's people like you know, there's people that work for the government that are white hat hackers that literally keep our cybersecurity and our international security from a technology standpoint intact.

SPEAKER_03 58:46

Well, they also hire a lot of ex-black hackers.

SPEAKER_00 58:48

Well, of course, because you but this is what I'll tell you from a tech perspective, that's the perfect way to look at it. That's why cybersecurity that's why cybersecurity people exist, because you have to know both sides. You have to know, hey, if this goes tits up, you gotta know how to fix it. 100%. You always have it to have, and this is this is sort of a cool thing that I've learned about tech is that if you don't have a can like a contingency or a backup plan in place, you're only doing half the work. Because if shit goes sideways, who's gonna fix it? Especially if you're in like a top-tier, like you know, sysadmin or insist. No, no, no, I'm just saying in a role. Like, if you're in like a sysadmin that handle like handles all of the intricacies and the infrastructure of a of a from a tech perspective for a company, if that goes bad and you're the only one that knows how it works, that's a problem. It's a huge issue. Huge. Because if shit goes sideways and nobody knows how to nobody knows how to fix it, not only is it bad, it's gonna get worse with people trying to fix it that don't know what the hell they're doing.

SPEAKER_03 59:57

It's kind of like having a you know one good.

SPEAKER_00 59:59

It's like fishing, it's a it's it's it's like fishing Yeah, yeah. So from that perspective, from a technology perspective, you could sort of attribute that thinking to pretty much anything, having to do with again, it comes back to what we were talking about before. It's what you're trying to point it at, where you're trying to go with it. Gotcha. Um, but what I will say in light of the tech stuff, and just sort of wrap up on another last segment, is I wanted to sort of talk about we've talked on the show also about the fact that, you know, we talked about it even this episode about the fact that people want an explanation for things they can't explain. Do you think that the secret societies and stuff like that of what is actually happening in society? Do they need a scapegoat? And that's what secret societies have sort of morphed into. How do you feel about that? Elaborate on that a little bit more. So I guess so. I guess to make it a little bit more simpler, is like so the world has gone to shit, we're looking for an excuse of why it went to shit. Nobody's looking at themselves. Have these people become the scapegoat for the economy going to shit in certain instances, in certain instances of the of of our our realm and our existence as human beings. Do you think they'd become the scapegoat for everything?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:16

No, because people have talked about these for hundreds of thousands of years. That's why I would say no. Secret societies have existed for thousands of years and they're gonna continue to exist. I mean, you can try to say that, you know, they're used as a scapegoat. I would argue that and say it's fucking true. Like they control most of the world in every facet. So is that the scapegoat or is that the problem?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:54

So where does it become with that conversation and staying on that same tip? Where does it become where do you become a skeptic and not believe in it? And then curiosity as far as trying to find out more about it, do you have to strike a balance between those two, or do you think it's one or the other?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:10

Well, here's my problem with skeptics. And this this can go towards anything we talk about on this podcast, okay?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:23

I think being a skeptic is fine.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:27

But if you're gonna be a skeptic and just say that's bullshit, you don't believe it, and there's no way that that's true, and then, you know, you're gonna die on that hill without even looking into it or giving any thought to the proof and examples and study it and actually look into it. If you're not gonna look into it, you know, I don't think you're a skeptic, I think you're just kind of a stubborn ass.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:59

So you're talking so just to sort of just sort of clarify, you're talking about like actual tangible proof of where you stand.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:07

Yeah, like if somebody's a skeptic, like look into it. I have no problem with with people saying, yeah, I think that's bullshit, if they've actually looked into it and they can have an actual conversation about it. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:24

Yeah, so essentially not being let's say closed-minded about what you're talking about. Yeah, I I would agree with that. I I I and it also comes back to the question, too, is that like is does it behoove you, and this is your prerogative, you don't have to be. I'm just I'm not saying necessarily you, I'm just saying in general. Does it behoove you just to be curious in your personal opinion? Can I be honest with you?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:54

Sure. A lot of the like conspiracy theories that we've talked that we talk about, and like especially like this stuff with the secret societies, and just going into like deep dark shit. The more you go down that rabbit hole and you find out that so much shit is intertwined, and there's so much it's all the same people involved in this shit, and everything's controlled, and you really find out that we are we are given the illusion that we are free and that you know we are free in a lot of ways, but we also really aren't, and the world isn't as a great place as it seems, and honestly, like if you're somebody who lives in this bubbly, happy world or place that that thinks that the world's great, don't go down the rabbit hole, because it's just gonna be depressing for you. Honestly. Like, I I I like being informed. I like knowing what I know now. But life was sure as a hell of a lot simpler. But I also think that it's a lot more dangerous not knowing, so you know, it it c it comes with kind of like a heavy price, like knowing how the real world works and not what we were taught in school because 90% of the shit we're taught in school, in history class, is bullshit because, like Napoleon said, history is written by the victors. The victors get to write the history books. The losers don't fucking get to write it, so it's gonna be they're gonna leave shit out that they don't want in there.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:40

Well, you see it all and you see it not just with history, but you see it with religion. You know, you you know you had an How about the Vatican? Well, no, this is this is my this is my point is like there were multiple meetings, and I'm I'm blanking on the one where they took out sex of the Bible. Can you help me? I'm blanking. Yeah, whenever they took out pieces and like left stuff out and that kind of stuff. Like the Book of Enoch is a great is a great example just for the sheer fact that it basically the meat and cheese of the Book of Enoch, and correct me if I'm wrong, because you know a little bit more about it than I do, essentially it was a firsthand account of terrestrial life, correct? And they took it out. Yeah, of of of an ab of an abduction. Yeah, and then they took it out. Yeah, they took it out. And it's now considered a now, if you breathe a word of it, especially in organized religion, I'm talking about like really organized religion. You're considered uh you can it's it's hypocrisy. It's considered outlandish and not true. Yeah. Even though there's document even though there's documented history of it being taken out. Like there's multiple instances where you can read or look it up. It's kind of fact at this point. Like it the eggs on the face type scenario kind of shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:08

I mean, you want to talk about a secret society that's not on the stuff that you and I looked up. The huge secret society that people don't e I mean, it'll piss a lot of people off when I say it, but do you know where I'm going with this?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:28

I might, but go ahead. Vatican.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:32

Well, we talked about religion earlier. I mean, that's not a secret. I mean, I mean, the but here's a a nice little history lesson.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:43

The Vatican is actually ancient Rome. Ancient Rome didn't fall, it was moved. Think about how much wealth and money that they had before because of the popes and stuff. Took Rome took their their money and they put it in the city-state and they hit it with the Pope. That is where ancient Rome's money is.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:07

That's where they put it. I mean, and then it's no secret, too, that in order to be, you know, you look at places like Monaco or the Vatican, for example, like we were talking about, they're sovereign states. They don't even exist in the realm of, let's say, global government or economy or any facet really. I mean, they govern themselves, they're their own sovereign state.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:32

You can't do that without a mass amount of wealth, or at least some means to an end.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:38

Right. And the Vatican had has ties to the mafia. The Vatican, I forget which Pope it was, but during World War II, very close with Hitler in the Nazi Party, and actually helped Nazis escape to South America. And potentially Hitler. Now there's there's huge proof. Huge proof that they've they've finally released that it's looking like Hitler escaped to South America. There are whole German villages in South America in the mountains. Blake, if you look at these pictures, you'd think you're in fucking Germany. And everything's in German.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:27

It's crazy. Well, that was like the thing when I was overseas where when I was in when I was in Spain, I was literally a stone. And that's another one, too, is that you could talk about Gibraltar, too. Gibraltar's its own sovereign state. Technically, it's under British rule, but it governs itself. It's its own sovereign state. And it's literally, I mean, if you want to talk about a strategic outpost, I mean, there's no way on that place other than going up a bunch of rock faces. I mean, literally, I mean, it's it's gotten much more developed and much more like modernized and stuff, but we're talking back in like World War I, World War II, whenever it was used as a British outpost. You weren't getting on that thing without something happening to you. Did you go to any of the forts? Yeah, I went to a couple, actually. Yeah, they're still intact. There's a couple of historical war sites that are up at the top. Pretty cool. Yeah, I mean, it's I mean, literally, you talk it's a it's a fucking rock in the middle of the ocean. And the entire society of Gibraltar is built around the like there's like hotels built into the rock face. It's insane. And they have a cot they have a college, they have a university there, they have high it's like a frick, it's like a commune. It's crazy. It's it's its own thing. And I would have to imagine that Monaco and like place like the Vatican are exactly the same thing. Once you walk inside those doors, it's their it's their word, dude. And they can they can flip-flop it, they can do whatever they want to you, whether it's good or bad, and then you can't say shit about it. You stepped into another realm, brother. Like it it the the the common stuff that you see outside those walls doesn't exist in that place, those places. It just doesn't.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:19

Yeah. And the other thing too is places like that, like you know, like you think about the Christians and Jews and like all the different religious sects that were persecuted and people had to pr like literally go underground and hide to practice their religion, you know. I think that's that's where a lot of secret societies, quote unquote secret societies started.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:50

Well, that's where we were talking about the you you're you're you're it's like the dog into a corner type scenario. Like people will only take so much before they fight back. Whatever they choose to do with the fighting back, like I'm not talking about necessarily violently fighting back, but you're gonna fight back with ideas and that kind of thing. I mean, it's just it's as much mental game as it is physical game.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:17

And you fight in silence and you grow in silence. Yeah, you gotta grow in silence, and then you make that decision of okay, do we get loud and really attack? Or do you wait? Do we just stay silent? Do we just stay silent and stay behind closed doors?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:36

Yeah, do you wait and conjure and manipulate all that kind of stuff? Yep. And you're just sort of wrap up, so we so I wanted to also ask you, so like, we've talked about a bunch of different we've talked about a bunch of different societies this episode. What do you which group do you think today holds the most sway over anything? Like what would be your what would be your contention as far as which one holds the most sway out of any of them? I would say probably the Bilderbergers.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:14

Probably the Bilderberg group. Rothschilds and Bilderberg group.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:20

Okay. I mean, I don't know as much about those. I I don't know as much about those two, but the ones that I have heard of, I would probably say the Freemasons or the Illuminati, and because they sort of came out one came out of the other. I mean. Yeah. Like we were talking about, it's like how I I mean it's a touch, it's not a touchy subject, but it's a subject that requires you to lit it to dig a little bit deeper than just the surface. What we were talking about before is that like how far do you want to go down the rabbit hole? How much do you want to know before it's it's the same thing with AIs, the same thing with extraterrestrials, all that kind of stuff. Like, do you do you really want to push the envelope past a certain point? Because once you do, you know, you could come up with something or come into face with something that you're not ready for or that you weren't even planning on being there in the first place.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:13

Like how how like it could dest I mean for lack of a better word, it could destroy a lot of people. And it probably has. That's my point.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:23

I think it it would not just destroy a lot of people, I think it would destroy governments, it would destroy the economy, which I mean the economy should have collapsed like twenty times now since like 1995, but you know, if they keep manipulating it, the Federal Reserve keeps manipulating it, which probably most of those people are in, you know, secret societies and stuff. Again, it it all ties together. I got a question for you. If you could infiltrate one secret society, which would it be and why?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:07

Oh, the short answer would be the Illuminati, just because I know the most about them. Okay. It'd be sort of interesting to see what is fact, what's fiction. If if the reach is really that bad, or it's been I don't want to say taken out of context, but essentially taken out of context to the point where it's one or the other, right? They're either they they either are what people say they are, or they've been blacklisted, and it's really not that deep. You know, it it it'd be interesting to see which way it went. Whether it's just a bunch, you know, because like I said, from what I've read and what I know about them, it started out as a you know, group of guys that got together and talked and came up with ideas and that kind of thing. And it's sort of morphed, like a couple of these that we've talked about, it's sort of morphed whether you know, whether they are or they aren't, it's morphed into more of a malevolent type of situation than it originally was. I'm not saying they're all like that, but from what I've read on the Illuminati, it'd be interesting to see which way it went. So that that that's sort of where I stand with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:19

What about you? I would probably want to infiltrate the Bilderbergers. Kind of the same thing of why you would want to infiltrate the Illuminati. I think the infiltrating Illuminati Illuminati would be interesting too, but with how much I know about Bilderbergers and everything, I I would want to as long as I could infiltrate and not get caught and just like Well, that's the thing, is like would you w I would do a lot of things if there were no consequences, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:49

I think we can both agree on that one. Whether it's good or bad, I would just like the experience. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:55

I would just want to know what the fuck they're talk about for real.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:58

Yeah, just sit on like a however long uh like like it's kind of like if you'd go back and do one thing over in your life. Like, I just want the experience. I wouldn't want anything good or bad to come out of it. I'd still want to live my life, but at the same time, it would be cool to see the other side of things, what would actually happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:17

I think it would just be cool to be a fucking or like a fly on the wall type situation. Yeah, just a fly on the wall. Yeah. Just that's all I would need. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:26

Just to hear it. Just to hear what just to hear what happened. Mm-hmm. And who and the cool thing too would be to see who showed up. I think that would be the Jones for me is see who actually showed up.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:38

Well, yeah, I would want to see who shows up, who's a actually a part of it, and then also how involved they are, and also what are the actual rituals that they do? Like, are they actually sacrificing children and like women and people and shit? Are they actually killing people? Are they, you know, do they really drink fucking blood? I don't know. Yeah. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:08

But I think I think it's interesting to like we we always talk about that we want to make sure that you guys take this stuff with a grain of salt, and we want to make sure also that we try to make it as unbiased for you guys as we can. We come up with some topics that are kind of touchy, but we also give the respect factor and make sure that we don't just look at one side of it. I think the secret society of stuff is all about your point of view and your perspective. It's it's a prerogative that everybody holds for themselves. You can either not believe it or believe it. And I think we both would want to hear from you guys if you guys, like we say at pretty much the end of every episode, if you guys have stuff that you want to talk about or insight into what we're talking about and stuff that we don't know, and stuff that's not on our radar as far as information or topics or you know, just general point of view on either side of things. It's interesting to see sort of not just two guys talking, but people that sort of want to weigh in on the conversation too. And like I said, we're gonna have guests and stuff. We're trying to line up a couple people. I know, like I said, we had Brennan on here for the cryptic episode. There's a couple other people that we have in mind that we just got to sort of share up schedules and figure it out. But I I know that Dan wants to, and I know I want to have more of a not rounded out group, but just more people in the more cooks in the kitchen because it'll add to the conversation. And I think it's interesting that if you guys are listening to this on a weekly basis, we want to hear what you guys think about it too. So I invite you guys, and I'm sure Dan would agree with me, we invite you guys to put like stories if you guys have any thoughts on like what we've talked about in the episodes, and it goes for any episode, it's not just this one. But I think that these conversations are at the very least interesting. We delve into a lot of different segments in this one. We sort of went with more of like a uh like a tapered format, so we sort of segued into different points in sort of a chronological fashion. But like I said, the conversations are always cool. They're always we always try to make them unbiased. So that's sort of my closing thoughts for the whole thing is that like you have to have you have to keep things in perspective, but at the same time, don't be afraid to be curious about different stuff. Because whether it's a good or bad experience, you're gonna learn from it no matter what, you're gonna learn something. I don't I don't know if you have anything on that, or you have anything before we end up, but that's sort of where I feel about the whole situation in the in this in the show in general, is that we're just trying to put forth the information and you guys can take it with what you know how you want it.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:43

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SPEAKER_00 1:21:17

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