Lost Beneath the Waves — The Mystery of Atlantis

Dive deep with Obscuracast as we unravel one of history’s greatest enigmas: the lost city of Atlantis. From ancient writings and geological theories to wild modern conspiracies, we explore how myth and mystery collided beneath the waves. Join us for a thought-provoking journey through legend, evidence, and the enduring question—did Atlantis ever truly exist?

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Alright, everybody, welcome back to another episode of Obscurocast. Over the last two weeks, I know we haven't fed you guys an episode, so we apologize for that. Life does happen, as you guys probably know yourselves. So we're back with another episode. I have my co-host Dan O'Neill with me as always. What's going on, sir? Yo, what's up, man? How are you? Doing alright. So I know that we wanted to get into we've done some ancient civilizations in the past. We're now on our 11th episode. So the vast majority of what we talk about on this show, if you guys are new to the podcast, also check out the other episodes. Um they're available on Spotify as well as Apple Music. So the vast majority of what we talk about on this show is basically is obscure topics, genius, origins, stuff like that. So we did one on Nikola Tesla, we've done a couple on paranormal activity, done a couple on ancient civilizations, we've done a couple of stuff on space. So it's sort of a it's sort of a plethora, sort of corticopia stuff we go through on the show, and we just sort of pick something that sort of you know gets under our skin, and we want to sort of dig into a little bit more. So today we are talking about uh the lost city of Atlantis, Dano. And also, if you guys are wondering, we do have socials out there, follow at ObscureCast on both Instagram and X. That's where you can see where we post. Uh sometimes we'll post some some snippets and some clips from the show, just sort of give you a little quick, like I guess, TikTokish view on how the show goes. If you guys are interested in doing that, not a problem. If you guys want to follow there, that way you can keep up with all of that kind of stuff. So like I said, we're getting into Atlanta. So I'm gonna let Dan sort of set the stage a little bit here as far as the origins are concerned, and then we're gonna sort of get into some other topics about you know, is it a myth? Is it something that's findable? Is it something that has been found to a certain degree, or is it just sort of, you know, a uh a figment of the past, so to speak. So Dan, I'll I'll I'll go ahead and defer to you and let you sort of set the stage.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

Yeah, so you know, what is Atlantis? Atlantis is a lost ancient city that Plato talked about. They had advanced technology, a superior naval force, and you know, a lot of ancient texts can talk about either Atlantis by name or they describe a city that fits the whole perfect picture of Atlantis.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

Sort of the alliter of what Atlantis is.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

Yeah, so you know, like Plato talked about 'em in a in a couple of his writings. You know, they're supposed to have this technology way far superior than what we have now. There's also a like a metal called Coracalcum. Uh doesn't have a C on it's Oracalicum. Oracal or thank you. So yeah, they, you know, had that metal that was we we'll get more into that later in the episode, but um, you know, there's it's just a lot of text that we've never been able to find. We've never been able to find um where this lost ancient city is. There's a lot of theories that go on you know different locations around the world that we'll also get into. Um, you know, what what's what have you heard of? When did you first hear of Atlantis? And what's your like thinking on it?

SPEAKER_00 4:14

Well, like the whole wives tale of Atlantis is supposed to be this utopian society that was able to have vast amount of wealth, it had all of the societal advantages that everybody would want as a human being. You know, it's sort of a perfect little bubble, right? And the allure, I guess, of Atlantis is not necessarily Atlantis itself, but what happened to it for me. There's a lot of there's a lot of directions people go. Like you said, we're gonna get into it a little bit deeper. But one of the wildest things I think about with Atlantis would be the amount of like wealth they would be able to because this is the thing, is a lot of like seafaring countries in the world are very rich, very have a vast amount of wealth. So it would only make sense that like it it's genuinely sought as Atlantis was on the water, it was sort of like a seafaring type society, that kind of thing, from what I've heard about it. Just it sort of makes sense that something like that would happen. I mean, you have you have ancient civilizations all over the place. You have the Mayans, you have the Incas, you have Egyptian culture, you have all of these things that were, for lack of a better word, pretty decent, if not perfect, societies with one or two like eccentricities, right? But the cool thing about Atlantis, from what I've heard about Atlantis, is it wasn't really it was perfect. There was nothing that they can point to, at least in his writings, from what I gathered, him being Plato, of course, and like he basically described it down to a T. The location of where it was, the type of society that it was, what they were proficient in, what they believed in as a I guess is I guess as a religion or like a a doctrine of faith, that type of thing. So they sort of had everything mapped out, whereas you look at some of like the Mayans and the Incas and that kind of stuff, they sort of have a couple eccentricities that I think people overlook as being a perfect society. Like it sort of separates the two. But if it was indeed genuinely perfect, but like I said, like we're gonna get into all the backstory and everything, but it's kind of otherworldly, and and we'll allude to that a little bit later, which I thought was pretty interesting how I sort of navigated the different ways that Atlantis might have been a real place. It goes a couple different directions that are really interesting. So I think that's the coolest thing about the allure and like the the the myth, if you will, of Atlantis is that it could be a couple different things. There's not one school of thought that's 100% accurate and truthful.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. It's got a bunch of different ways that you can go with it. You know, I guess and start off with Plato. Atlantis appears only in two works of his, the uh Timaeus and Critus. Cretus.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Yeah, I think that's how you pronounce it. We can look it up and fact check that, but I think it's called the Cretea? Yeah, Cretea.

SPEAKER_02 7:11

Yeah, Critia. I'm horrible at pronunciations, everyone's gonna say.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

It looks like to me, if I'm looking at it phonetically, it's the Timaeus and the Cretea.

SPEAKER_02 7:22

And that's 360 BCE. The story comes from Solan, uh, it was passed down through Egyptian priests, and the description of Lanis was powerful naval empire beyond the pillars of Hercules, so that's Gibraltar.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

Which I was there.

SPEAKER_02 7:38

Yes, you were.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

You were I was near the Rock of Gibraltar, and I know exactly what they're talking about. It's actually it's kind of like one of those things, like we talked in past episodes, like when I went to Israel and stuff, like seeing stuff from the Bible, being able to walk Stations of the Cross, all that kind of stuff. It's it's eye-opening, if anything. I mean, I'm for lack of a better word, I'm agnostic, so I don't sort of go to any sort of sect of religion, just sort of exist and let things sort of happen as they happen. I guess if I would point to anything, I'm more of like a karma type of person, that type of thinking. But when you go to a place like Israel where like you're literally staring at, you know, the the the garden where he was arrested, him being Jesus, the Mount uh the Mount of Olives where all of those, like, you know, all of those uh graves are, it's like a mass grave site for the for for lack of a better term. The crucifixion site was wild, but like all that kind of stuff, you just it's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 8:38

Mm-hmm. For sure. So another description is huge concentric ring capital, advanced engineering, fertile lands in a structured society, moral message is a cautionary tale about hubris and imperial overreach. You know, the debate is did Plato intend this literally or symbolically? I don't know because there's a lot of description in if you've ever actually looked at those readings. Uh they're very descriptive. So I d I have a hard time believing that it's symbolic symbology. What's your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_00 9:20

Well, whether it exists or not, I don't think is the question. I think that could be definitive. They found enough evidence, at least under the surface. Because this is the this is the common theme, is it's one of two things. It's either like this underwater utopian, like mermaid type people, or they were just regular human beings, albeit maybe hybrids of gods. And the god the god conversation actually gets really interesting too because you mentioned hubris. Hubris essentially is pride, I think, for lack of a better word. No hubris.

SPEAKER_02 9:58

They became a sinful society.

SPEAKER_00 10:00

Yeah, essentially what they were doing and and the reason for them suffering whatever happened, because the long story short of how Atlantis disappeared and why it's not around anymore, is there was some kind of cataclysm or cataclysmic event that wiped them off the face of the earth. Now flawed as correct. Now, the reason for that happening, the cataclysm and the cataclysm in the first place, is the fact that they were engaging in this act of being like, hey, we have a perfect society, we're just as good as good as the gods, and basically the gods took that as a slight and wiped them off the face of the earth. That's essentially the long story short version of what happened. From a mythical standpoint.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

So it does say here that Plato doesn't describe he doesn't describe it as a utopia. He describes it as a superpower that collapses because it becomes arrogant. So I think that's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

Essentially they're they're uh their heads got too big for their own good, essentially.

SPEAKER_02 11:03

Mm-hmm. Yeah, pretty much.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

Pretty Yeah, but I think that's an interesting too I think that's an interesting debate too, Dan, is that they talk about the fact that if like was it a real place or was it used as allegory as like an example of what things should be and that kind of thing? Was it just an old wives tale, sort of like you know you know, everybody's supposed to do good and good will come back to them type of thing? Was it that type of scenario? Where like Well, it sounds like a s Sodom and Gomorrah, right? Well, right, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

For sure. Similar story. You know, people say that uh correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they they say that the reason that uh you know the catastrophe happened with Pompeii is because they started to get way too far out of line and they had to be punished by the gods. So kind of similar you know similar uh things, different events but similar reasons I guess. So it's interesting. Um, most Greek philosophers after Plato they treated Atlantis' algory too. The Romans tried to pinpoint a location um and they couldn't really find anything. Obviously we have a lot more tech nowadays. Plato supposedly when he heard about about Atlantis from the Egyptians, as far as Solon goes, oh that was I think it was like six hundred BCE something like that. Um Plato had written about it. Or th I'm sorry, three sixty. Solon went there nine thousand years. That's essentially like a over eleven thousand years ago. And that would be when I think the younger dryas. Remember we've talked about that before? Yeah, vaguely I do, yes. Randall Carlson is really big on the younger dryas and uh a couple other people too, but you know it matches up perfectly like perfectly with that ocean level rise, and that was a major flood, and not only that, the younger dryas, this this flood appears all over the world in ancient texts. Sumerians, the Egyptians, uh even ancient Asian cultures, Aztec and Maya, like there is all over this talk of this flood, this huge cataclysmal event that happened eleven over eleven thousand years ago. To a T.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

So I think that's and it lines up perfectly with when they disappeared. Like that's the other that's the other thing, is that like it's right around the time, give or take a thousand years or so, because you know, with mass even the mass amount of technology and and advancements we have and topography and all that kind of stuff to be able to really pinpoint when this happened. I don't know if you can ever totally be 100% sure of what you're what you're sort of looking at. So I I think the the cataclysmic event is something that maybe it started and then it might have had some like repercussions afterwards, and that could have all contributed to the fact that it's no longer here. It might have been a couple of things that had to do with the cataclysmic event, like they might have brought up, might have might have brought on other things with the fact that it was a flood or an earthquake or whatever. Right, exactly. And they either died off or, you know. I would have to believe I mean if it was a cataclysmic event, it would have taken a lot of people with it, if not everybody. Depending on where and when it happened. But I don't know if you can ever be sure about stuff like that. I don't know enough about that science. I don't know enough about topography and all that kind of stuff if you're able to actually pinpoint it to like date, time you know, down to the second or something. I don't know enough about it.

SPEAKER_02 15:26

Oh, but it's interesting that all sorts of different religions and cultures talk about the same thing at the same time. Yeah. That's one way to pinpoint it.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

Yeah, I mean what and what's your idea of a pinpoint to, I guess, begs the question too, is that like how how how nailed down do you really want to get it until you're satisfied?

SPEAKER_01 15:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:47

So like Alexandria got you know, a lot of that, the whole harbor and half the city got wiped out because of uh, I believe it was like a rogue wave or something like that. So it's you know it's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

I was gonna say too, as far as the geography, if we're talking about topography and stuff like that, as far as the geography of Atlantis too is interesting how it was sort of like a perfect circle. But it had sort of a trinity aspect too with the concentric rings, wasn't it? It was basically two rings, but there were essentially three rings with that were separated by waterways, from what I understand, correct?

SPEAKER_02 16:24

There was, I believe, t three water rings and like two land one or bicep.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Something like that or reverse it, yeah. Yeah, so they even that in and of itself being like a circular society, like very different. You know, we think of a circle being perfect, we think of a sphere of being perfect. There's no edging, there's no nothing, it's just smooth. Right? So like maybe taking that into account of being like a universal symbol, you know, you you know, you look at something like Apple, for example, they take a very they take a very simple approach to something that was very inspirational and sort of changed the course of history with an apple. The nice the cool thing about apple is they take a bite out of it, which is interesting. I always find that funny with every single apple product, there's an apple with a bite taken out of it, which is interesting.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um you know they also they had that massive temple to Poseidon, which is where the uh there was a big pillar of that, however the hell you say that material corkalcum or whatever. Oracalm. Yeah, oracalm.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

That that in and of itself was interesting when I looked at that. What's actually in that piece of sedent sedimentary is that it's it's four different types of precious metals that they would have wanted around that time period. That's what made it so valuable, I believe. It was lead, zinc, tin, and one other one. I can't think of the fourth one, but would have been very, very precious metals to them back in the day. And I mean, honestly, we still use a lot of that stuff just in modern-day technology these days. I mean, there's lead and gunpowder and all that kind of stuff, and then bullets and that kind of thing. So we still use a lot of the real application even of the stuff that they were using back in the day as currency. It's actually kind of wild. They were also thought as you know, they were of Greek origin in some thinking, too. So, like you think about how the Greeks have shaped Western society and that kind of thing, with laws and how we dictate government and all that kind of stuff. It's still used today in a pretty, you know, ornate fashion, I guess, if you want to put it that way. It's very old school if you look back and on some of these ancient societies and how they did business, it's sort of you can sort of mirror it in a lot of democracies and a lot of just organized government in general.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

But I was sort of do you want to sort of get into the different theories on where the locations are and that kind of stuff? Yeah, we can do that. Um so there's a couple schools of thought, like we said before. Um there's a couple of areas, namely four or so, that are said to be quote unquote possible locations of where Atlantis would have been. Um Santorini, which I believe is in Greece, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_02 19:29

Yeah, it's Santorinian Minoan, yeah. Yep, it's in Greece.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

So that one's interesting because they point to a volcanic explosion being the cause of it being wiped. We've seen, obviously, you mentioned Pompeii earlier, the type of cataclysmic event that was. I mean, people were literally, you know, killed instantaneously in the street and sort of like mummified within the lava rock that like had a chance to finally set and stuff, and were basically like corpse statues at that point.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

Yeah. Well, the Minoan culture in general is very interesting. Uh very, very interesting. That's actually where the legend of the Minotaur actually comes from the Minoans. Then I mean they were a civilization was lost because of the volcanic explosion that happened. So it's that's that's a very interesting idea. I've w I've watched a couple shows and documentaries on, you know, could Atlantis possibly be here? And the descriptions of Atlantis I just don't think, you know, just geographically it matches. So there's there's one on here that matches pretty damn spot on that we're gonna get to that I think fits more. But, you know, it it could be. I know that they've found some very interesting artifacts too by Santorini and Benoa. Um what's your thoughts on this one?

SPEAKER_00 21:02

It from what I've heard, a lot of the belief around what happened was what you were talking about earlier, what we were talking about earlier being the flood. A lot of what you've heard from myth, even when we were kids, I was always taught that they were like a water type of society. That's sort of been flipped on its head as I've learned more about it. It seems to be another school of thought that's what we were talking about earlier. Again, they're talking about the fact that they were descendants of Poseidon, because Poseidon obviously is a Greek god, he's a Greek god of water, and he was sort of the proprietor or like overseer of Atlantis between him. I can't remember, he ended up either marrying or I don't think they I I'm not sure. I'm not sure about the the union of the two people, but Poseidon and I I know it was a a mortal woman had, I believe they said from the information I read, it was five sets of twins. And the name that the reason where at Atlantis comes from is one of Poseidon's children, one of the twins, one of the sets of five twins, was named Atlas. And Atlas is the where it is is the reason Atlantis gets is the reason Atlantis has the name that it does, is he named it after his son, as well as the Atlantic Ocean. That's why the Atlantic Ocean is also named after Atlas. So that's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 22:32

And Atlas was the first leader of Atlantis.

SPEAKER_00 22:36

Right, exactly. So like that whole encompass like from a mythological standpoint, that shit is really interesting. Do we take it as fact? It's all about belief at that point because you know they're very polytheistic in those cultures. You talk about Roman culture, you talk about Greek culture, they're especially old, old timey Greek and Roman culture, they were very, very polytheistic. Egyptian? Yep. So you have Egypt Egypt in there. You also have Native American culture that's very polytheistic. Hindu. Hindu, yep. Uh, you have trying to think of the one I just had. I said Native American culture, maybe that's what I was trying to get at. But you have all of these societies, but the but the like I said, the way you take it around is either you take it on faith or you don't take it at all. So there's no there's no way everybody can be right, so somebody's got to have the right answer, but that's up for interpretation.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

I think people put Santorini and Minoan civilizations with them is because they're they're in the Mediterranean, they're on islands, so they're surrounded by water. So like I I guess I can understand why they would do that, but again like I said, there's a couple other ones in here that we're gonna get into that are a little bit more plausible in my personal opinion, if that's what you're asking.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

Do I think it's where it was? Not necessarily, but does it make sense to a certain degree? Of course.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

Yeah, yeah. I mean it it could.

SPEAKER_00 24:01

I mean, it's not like they haven't found evidence that might suggest, but how damning is your evidence to say this is it? You know what I mean? Like that's what I'm talking about, the pinpointing and shit.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

So far, there really hasn't been there's no definitive answer. Too much.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

It's a hypothesis, it's a guess.

SPEAKER_02 24:20

100%. Um I guess you want to move on to the next one?

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Yeah, we can move on to the next one. Yeah, so i I I I guess I guess where I sort of stand on the Santorini thing is that if we're talking about that they're descendants from Poseidon, Poseidon is a Greek god, chronologically and logically you can see the connection. Do I think that's where it was? Not necessarily, because there are other ones that make more sense.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

Yeah. Um, I think this next one is my number one. Um the have you ever heard of the Eye of the Sahara?

SPEAKER_00 24:55

I've heard mention of it. I don't I was actually gonna ask you to go into a little bit of detail because I don't know a lot about this one.

SPEAKER_02 25:01

Yeah, so I'm gonna actually I'm gonna share my screen real quick so you can see this.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Um the Eye of the Sahara is obviously located in the Sahara Desert.

SPEAKER_02 25:17

Literally has concentric circles. Now uh it was first discovered in I think 1965 by NASA um when they were up uh one of their first one of their missions up in space. They actually used the eye of the Sahara as a tracking beacon so they could tell where they were at when they were up there. It is massive. Now when you look at this, you're gonna see why this looks like it could possibly be it. See the concentric circles? Yeah, that's that's interesting. Now, what's very interesting is if you look here, okay, you have the concentric circles.

SPEAKER_01 26:04

What do you notice to the north here? Is that I'm assuming that's coastline. Mountains. Okay. In Plato's description, there were mountains to the north. Interesting. And that's is that due north? That is due north. Okay. Yep, that's right up here. I believe it's like 250 miles across. The actual eye.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

I believe from here to here. So from one side.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

But it even has like the little waterway joining us.

SPEAKER_02 26:42

And they have they have found irrigation and flooding.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

They have also found that there are salt deposits. So see this white here? Yeah. That is salt.

SPEAKER_02 27:00

Now, you know, your academia and geologists say that, you know, this area hasn't been underwater for hundreds of millions of years.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

How the hell do they know? Yeah. You know, this literally looks like exactly the description of what Plato said. There's your concentric circles. Yeah. You know, so it's it's very interesting. What are you what are your thoughts seeing this for the first time?

SPEAKER_02 27:40

Cause I mean there's a coastline.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

Yeah, I I mean, I would have to see, like, it looks like the one on the right, like you're looking at right now, so one on the so the the we're sort of sharing our screens and sort of looking at pictures right now, just so everybody can get the context.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:57

The one on the right looks more obviously, you know, what's the word I'm looking for? CGI'd. But that's what I imagine it would have looked like if it was, you know, if it was actually running today. Yeah. But it it would I'd have to see some more damning evidence. Uh do I think this is probably the most profound one that I've seen? Yeah, because the one that I was gonna get into is a little bit more far-fetched. Yeah, it's a good thing. And it goes more towards the water aspect than this.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

This uh what does it for me is again it's just like he described it. And also how close it is to the the shoreline.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:49

Um it's just really now they say that it's uh you know, this is a collapsed volcanic dome.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

Um I don't know if I uh believe that one. It's I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 29:08

I think you would I definitely don't think it's an impact crater, but here's the other thing that irritates me too, is that they will not allow people to go and excavate this.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

Well, that was one of the other other interesting ones, and it's not on the list that we have, but I wanted to bring it up. It's in I believe it's in Spain. It's a national park or a national reserve. Mm-hmm. Uh and the fact that it's a national reserve points to the same thing you were just talking about, is that people are not allowed to excavate it. Or do any kind of archaeological dig or work or anything like that. Like I said, I think the one that I'm after is a little bit more far-fetched, and it plays a little bit into the water culture and that kind of thing. But at the same time, the national park or the national reserve in S I believe, like I said, I believe it's in Spain, I just can't think of what the town name is. It's like Salvas or Silvas or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

And it's a marshland.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

So that by itself, if we're talking about a water culture or a cataclysmic flood or anything like that, um that also makes sense as well. Because they've actually found um interestingly enough, they've found through LIDAR, which is like that ground penetration radar we were talking about a couple episodes ago, they have found what they believe to be not only um spikes sort of in that lidar, so like it's hitting something that's taller than something else. And they believe that to be the outer walls or like the walls of those concentric circles of Atlantis itself. Now, the other really cool thing about that one is the fact that they also found through some kind of testing what they do with methane, they found a massive methane pocket like below the surface to a certain degree. I can't remember where it was, how far down. But essentially they're attributing that to like decaying bodies and like livestock and that kind of thing, because methane is given off when you die. Like that's this is like a natural, natural occurrence that happens when your body decomposes as you give off different types of gases and all that kind of stuff. Basically return to the earth, right? But yeah, they found a massive pocket of methane hiding below the surface, and they think that to be decaying something.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

Is this like south of Gibraltar or where is this at, supposedly?

SPEAKER_00 31:52

This is near this is near the Pillars of Hercules, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

Okay. Okay. And they're so they've found a pocket of methane.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

And they're when I say a pocket, I'm like extrapolate that to like however big you want, but like it's a pretty sizable.

SPEAKER_02 32:09

You would need you need some serious numbers of bodies, right? Probably.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

Yeah, for this to make sense, 100%. It would have to be like a civilization, yeah. Okay. So not only do they think it's people, but they think it's livestock and agriculture and rotting water and all that kind of stuff. Just everything. Everything, yeah. Everything that would have encompassed a civilization because it's pretty sizable, from what I understand. But yeah, it's right. It's on I can't remember which side it's on. It's on the Gibraltar side, so it's gotta be near Spain. It has to be near Spain. Because the other side, yes, because the other side, the other pillar of Hercules is near Morocco. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:51

So they're on opposite sides, because you can actually see, having been to Spain, they are on opposite sides. So you can actually see the Moroccan coastline from where I was in Gibraltar. So believe it or not, I was probably pretty close to this damn location and I didn't even realize it. That's actually pretty interesting, too. Yeah. How how close were you? I mean, I was uh Gibraltar's coastline, Gibraltar's border was a 15-minute walk from my hotel room. Yeah, to go over to the go over the border to into Gibraltar, which technically is English territory, but they govern themselves. They're kind of like a sovereign state, sort of like Vatican City is in Rome. But yeah, I was like 15 minutes from uh from a walk to Gibraltar.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

It was not far at all. That's cool. Yep. Cool.

SPEAKER_00 33:42

Um But let's get into since we did the Eye of the Sahara, that one is actually pretty cool. That one I have not seen a lot about. I'll probably sort of take that one into consideration as far as because it it's it's kind of damning. I mean, if that thing really exists, it's and it's still somewhat intact, that would go, that would play into the whole advanced society and construction and all that kind of stuff. That would that would make a lot of sense. That it's that intact.

SPEAKER_02 34:16

Like what he said to a T. Like the numbers literally are to a T, what Plato said. They have found Plato says the city's outer ring was 23 kilometers, and this thing's outer ring is forty kilometers, but the inner rings match closer, and there's theorists that argue it's because of erosion, expanded the size.

SPEAKER_00 34:39

Well, as we know, rocks do rocks do they're porous.

SPEAKER_01 34:44

So they do expand. So that could be a reasoning for that.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

What's interesting is there's nearby ancient shorelines, and the Sahara wasn't always a desert. Between ten to a thousand years ago, it was a green savannah with rivers. Some people argue that an inland sea once existed to the west. And there's also evidence of ancient settlement in the area. There's been stone tools, arrowheads, Neolithic artifacts appear around the region, but nothing matching a large civilization.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

So they can't point it to anything else. They don't have a they don't have a grading scale to put it up against, I guess, is the point there.

SPEAKER_02 35:28

Now now Plato did talk about the mountains to the north, which are mountains to the north, and then he talked about um a surrounding plain. He talks about a massive rectangular plain to the south, and there is a large flat expanse uh south of the eye of the Safari. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:49

Yeah, so like I said, if it's if it's still intact and that's genuinely what it looks like, I'd have to put my eyes on it, like literally, in order to be like, sure, that could be plausible. But the other the other one that I thought was kind of interesting, like I said, and it it would be more fantastical, I guess if you're playing to the whole water people, was the Antarctica theory.

SPEAKER_01 36:11

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:13

That is the reason I find that one really interesting because if they were insanely dependent on water. I mean, where are you gonna be, especially nine, ten thousand years ago, where are you gonna be where there's more water?

SPEAKER_02 36:29

Like Well, and it also now they're finding out that there's like whole forests that are just frozen. Yeah. So it was a it was a tropical island, and then there was a pole shift, and it froze. Almost like instant freeze.

SPEAKER_00 36:48

Which is sort of like your ice age type scenario.

SPEAKER_02 36:51

Yes, one hundred percent. Have you heard of the uh Peri Rees Matt?

SPEAKER_00 36:57

No, that was actually checking that out. It wasn't in the couple documentaries that I watched, but they did mention it a couple times, but didn't get too in depth.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

Gotcha. So it was created in 1513 by Perry Rees, an Ottoman admiral and cartographer, who's also a naval intelligence officer. Um their surviving fragment, roughly one-third of a full map, shows Western Africa, eastern South America, North Atlantic, some Caribbean islands, and then it also has um reference of Antarctica. Some claim the southern part of the map shows Antarctica without ice. And if you look at this map and look at the mountain ranges, the mountain ranges on this map actually match the mountain ranges that you can see in Antarctica.

SPEAKER_00 37:50

So it's sort of like a topography or topographic, like pinpoint.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

Mm-hmm. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 38:01

So it's interesting that uh he's got Antarctica on there before it was even discovered. Because I mean, didn't we discover wasn't it supposedly discovered in like the 1800s?

SPEAKER_00 38:15

Yeah, something like that. It was an expedition, it's sort of like what they do with like a like Mount Everest and stuff like that. It was sort of like that type of deal.

SPEAKER_02 38:23

Yeah, so it's very interesting that we have this map from 1513 not only depicting Antarctica, but depicting it pre-ice. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 38:33

Yeah, thinking about Antarctica, anything but a frozen barren is kind of is kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_02 38:39

Yeah, I know I r I saw this recently within the last like week or two. I guess they did an expedition of there in the last like six months to a year, and they went, I think it's like I don't think it was miles, I think it was like 40 meters down under the ice in this one location, and when they hit they hit this like like a like a big bubble, like a pocket in the ice, and it's got like a whole forest.

SPEAKER_01 39:09

Wow. Whole forest. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:14

Well the thing that the thing that makes your or the thing that makes the idea that it was once i or were not ice is plausible due to the displacement and the the crust theory. So like essentially what it is is it's like the movement of the Earth's outer layer. So essentially everything else from the outer layer stays intact, and essentially everything just sort of shifts. Um it's done through plate tectonics, which, if you know anything about Atlantis, there's two schools of thought mainly. It was either an earthquake, a massive flood, or both. So you're talking about three different things, two of which could have happened at the same time. And you're talking about a pretty detrimental, I mean, think about not only the air shifting, but massive amounts of water coming at you. Like it's gonna, I mean, it would have had to have been something catastrophic, like to for them just to like not find anything of uh uh uh it would have had to have been disastrous.

SPEAKER_02 40:10

Yeah, it definitely wasn't anything good if you can't have a single form of uh proof that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 40:18

Yeah, like you don't really have like we have Mayans, we have Incas, we have all the artifacts, we have all of the pyramid sites, and we have all the sacrificial stuff, and all that kind of stuff has been documented because it's plausible and you can actually tangibly to call it proof. This is a little bit more obscure, and I think that's what makes it the more interesting of the civilizations that we've talked about, is because there's no there's no definitive answer. It's it's there's very little to go on, and you sort of have to take it as fact. If you r I mean, if you really want to get down to it, it sounds like from what you and I have discovered from talking about this, not only talking about it but researching it, is that his account, him being Plato, is the best piece of evidence that we can go towards. And it's it's interesting because it's such an old text, but even stuff like I said before when we started the show, the stuff that Plato was talking about in his dialogues was not something that was washed away by history. I mean, we still use a lot, like I said, it's used a lot of modern democracy, a lot of his philosophies are still somewhat of if not totally factual, even today. It's it's it begs the question was like you we talked about ancient aliens and and paranormal stuff and stuff that's sort of out of our understanding, and maybe that's an interesting way to take his stuff too, is maybe he was just channeled into a different frequency, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 41:49

Could have been. I mean, there is a whole Atlantis ancient alien theory. Eric von Danekin and his chariots of the gods, he wrote that um, you know, it could have been spacefaring or hyper-advanced tech, um, you know, people from the sky that came down, and it could have been something like that. Technologies as far as like anti-gravity, supposedly energy weapons, crystal-based power systems, flight, genetic manipulation, all sorts of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 42:25

Yeah, they got into that a little bit in one of the documentaries that I watched, and they were talking about the fact that it's not here anymore. Maybe the motherfuckers just blasted off and left.

SPEAKER_02 42:34

That is a big theory as well. Yeah, they touched on that one too.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

I thought that was kind of an interesting one. Would make sense why there's no trace left.

SPEAKER_02 42:44

It would make sense why there's no trace. Yeah. Well, there it's interesting because so like Atlantis is the most well-known lost civilization, right? There's a lot of lost civilization theories out there. Have you heard of the uh uh the myth of a supposed continent that actually was uh part of like Hawaii and out there?

SPEAKER_00 43:16

That's not the Pangea thing, was it?

SPEAKER_02 43:18

Not Pangea, it's something different. Um, but supposedly like that was another like ancient alien uh theory as well. Interesting. Kind of like took off. Yeah, like I guess you know how there's so much water, empty water in that space there. It wasn't originally like that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

Well that was like that was like the the myth about the Japanese islands, too. Was that like, you know, they have a vast majority, at least back in like I would say probably like it was more of a like a samurai culture in Japan. And the myth from a samurai's you know point of view is essentially like the gods were able To dip a hot sword in the ocean and the drops that came off the sword were the eventually turned into the islands of Japan. So, like, if you're talking about that kind of mythology, you could say the same thing for for their point of view too, is that like maybe it was just, you know, let's let's say really out there scenario, spaceship came down and decided we're gonna plop these however many islands down here, and this is gonna be a civilization. You know what I mean? You could say the same thing. But but I think the fourth one is actually a really cool one, too, and this is the last one we got. The the other two were sort of bonus, so if you guys want to look those up, like I said, I can't remember the name of the nature reserve. Let me see if I can look it up real quick. Like I said, it was in Spain, and I'm gonna butcher it if I try to pronounce it, even though I do speak a little bit of Spanish. I don't want to mispronounce. But like I said, it's right off the coast of Spain near Gibraltar, and like one of the pillars of Hercules, like we were talking about. Hmm. Let me see, Spain. Uh Atlanta's location. So it's don't I'm gonna butcher this. I apologize if there's any Spanish listeners. Do Aña National Park. The theory is supported by the location's proximity to the Strait of Gibraltar, the pillars of Hercules as described by Plato, and evidence of submerged ruins that some researchers believe match Plato's descriptions of a powerful city destroyed by a tsunami. So that's essentially what that one was. And then we also went over the space age theory that we weren't gonna get into. So those are two little bonus tips for you guys. But that one is in southern Spain, it's near the city of Cadiz in Spain. And then the other one, like we said, is the sort of the uh otherworldly alien theory. So but the last one we had on our list that we were gonna touch on, other than those two, was the Caribbean one and sort of like the theory that it's off the I believe it's the coast of Cuba, right? At Bermuda Triangle, yeah. That area, essentially. But yeah, I I don't know a lot about that one. I don't know if you do, but essentially the island island part of the theory would make sense in that capacity. But like I said, the like all f all what six of these theories, they're not they're not finite. So I guess it's up for interpretation for me.

SPEAKER_02 46:29

Yeah, and I mean Bimini Road, Bimini Road is a collection of underwater stone formations that look like roads and then also like buildings. They're doing excavations on that now for the last few years, but no like huge evidence of anything with Atlantis. I don't nothing in Plato's description or the other descriptions put it here, at least that I've read and done research on. I don't know about you, Blake, but I think it's more of a I mean, could it? Sure. Uh like you've said earlier several times in this episode, nothing's finite, like you think it all.

SPEAKER_00 47:08

I think it's an interpretation for me, dude. Like, it's like anything else, it's based on faith and what you consider to be truthful information. And if I mean each one of the ones we've got across is plausible.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's 100% plausible.

SPEAKER_00 47:24

Is it the finite location? Will we ever really know that? That begs the question. Like, is there really ever gonna be enough evidence, even if we've been looking at this for however long and we still don't have an answer? Like, is it ever going to be truthfully 100% answered? Like this is unless we find something. Well, that's what I'm saying. Is that thankfully, you know I mean how but like again, and we've been looking at looking over this thing. I think in in the course of the episode we've been talking about the past like three, four hundred years, we still don't have an answer.

SPEAKER_03 47:59

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 48:01

And maybe we're not supposed to. Maybe that's the whole point. Maybe it's again, it goes back to the conversation. Do you take it as fact from Plato or do you take it as allegory as sort of like a cool story and leave it at that? It's all about perspective. But my question to you is I think you already touched on it, and are you sort of sticking with the eye of the Sahara? Is that sort of your your go-to? What was that? Are you sticking are you sticking to the Eye of the Sahara as your go-to choice for where it might be or what seems the most plausible, what seems the most logically logically correct place for it to be?

SPEAKER_02 48:41

I'm going with the Eye of the Sahara. I would go with the Eye of the Sahara, and then after that I would get probably go Antarctica. Because what a perfect spot to hide in ancient civilization.

SPEAKER_00 48:53

Yeah, I mean if it's like God forbid it's under the ice or under the water, who's getting to it? You know what I mean? Like, I mean, even going underwater in like tropical climates is dangerous, but imagine doing it in like we're talking sub, sub, sub, sub, sub-freezing temperatures under that water. Like, it's gonna get cold.

SPEAKER_01 49:13

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 49:16

Yeah. But that's maybe like you, like, like you said. Yeah, like you said, it's a perfect place for it to be hiding because nobody would ever get to it. But I think the other one too is Is there a theory? Is there a theory based on what happened to it that you see as more realistic than the others? Like, I know we talked about the location, but we're talking about like what actually happened to the civilization, why it was wiped off the earth, and then it's not here anymore. Where do you stand with that?

SPEAKER_02 49:51

I mean, I could I could see a flood like a major flood, you know, like a horrible look at look at the tsunamis and the things that have happened over you know, over in Asia and the Pacific, you know, islands. Like it completely wipes out cities.

SPEAKER_00 50:12

So Yeah, but think about that summon to actually wipe somebody from the face of the earth, how much bigger it would have had to have been, or how much more chaotic and like you're talking you see tsunami literally rip apart communities and they're never the same again, but imagine that like times a thousand.

SPEAKER_02 50:31

Well, and that's why it's so interesting that every ancient society and religion talks about this enormous flood that happened. That k you know, killed what?

SPEAKER_01 50:45

I think like half of the population on the planet. Yeah. I mean that would do it.

SPEAKER_00 50:52

And we're not talking about a little rainstorm here, gentlemen.

SPEAKER_01 50:56

No.

SPEAKER_00 50:57

We're not talking about a little puddle outside. We're talking about something that's gonna encompass a quarter to half the earth. Like it's it's gonna be pretty detrimental. Not only for the people that are in the are in the epicenter of what's happening, but even like the remnant, you know what I mean? Like people thousands of miles away are gonna feel this for years.

SPEAKER_02 51:20

The other thing too is here's another theory to throw at throw at you that's not necessarily on here, but one to think about that I've thought about for a while. How much of the ocean have we explored? Not even a fucking percentage of what we know about everything else.

SPEAKER_01 51:39

Yeah, right. What if it's under the water somewhere?

SPEAKER_00 51:44

Well, that that was uh, you know, when we did the um we did another episode about about that, I believe it was the NASA episode. Mm-hmm. Where we were talking about like, you know, as much as we know about space, it's probably a fraction of what we know about the ocean because we're able to go, you know, we have the technology to go into space.

SPEAKER_02 52:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:06

And NASA We only have the technology to sort of make it to a certain point, and then on top of that, we're dealing with vast darkness. We're not dealing with any kind of light source or anything like that to sort of light our path. It's just complete abyss. So like space. Yeah, I mean, but like at least with space, you have somewhat of a somewhat of a how do I put this? Some sort of a navigation point. With water, when you get to a certain depth, light's only gonna go so far. That's my point. Is that like what are like imagine if we're circling this thing with what we're doing with water excavation and that kind of stuff, and we're just missing it.

SPEAKER_01 52:54

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 52:55

That's that's my point, is that like it's so like I said, it's gotta be a fraction. It's it can't be a percentage, it's gotta be something like so minuscule as far as what we've been able to discover underneath underneath the water. I think we're less than 10%. I don't I I'd venture it's not even that high.

SPEAKER_01 53:15

I bet it's a I bet it's half that. And you know.

SPEAKER_02 53:21

You could have where maybe it's covered up by sand on the bottom of the ocean.

SPEAKER_00 53:27

Yeah, maybe I mean that's one of the big theories about it in general, is that it was like wiped away from the earth and it's under like uh obscene amounts of sedentary and mud and dirt and God knows what else. That's why I think you gotta just bear like imagine if it's like, let's just say it's a thousand leagues down, but then you gotta get through another thousand leagues of that shit. Like it's a long way down.

SPEAKER_02 53:54

Yeah. That's a very long way down. Or or like, dude, what if it's buried under the you know, desert in the Sahara?

SPEAKER_00 54:04

The Sahara is comes back to the whole thing with like the crust the crust displacement and all that stuff we were talking about earlier, is that like we're we're all hopefully all aware that the earth moves, it rotates. So, like the the crust displacement stuff makes a lot of sense, as it could have been one place, the earth shifted over however many thousands of years, now it's somewhere completely different. So, like, for example, we're looking for it in what Plato described. If the crust displacement stuff is true, it could be on the other side of the fucking world, and we have no idea. Could be. Like, that's my point is that like, even if we even if we have a documented text of where this stuff is at, that theory, if it's true, which it's a plausible theory, makes sense, it could be completely it could be 180 degrees in the other fucking direction. Yeah. You're going north when it's actually south or east when it's actually west or some shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 55:04

Also, if let's say like let's say Atlantis was found under the water or wherever. And let's say Atlantis did have like all these advanced technologies and everything, do you really think that that the government would tell us that?

SPEAKER_00 55:24

I think it would come out the same way it's come out with all the alien activity. Yeah, they're not going to be able to do that. I think they would cover it up as long as they possibly could, especially if it was something that was going to quote unquote change the world, big air quotes. Do you think that could be it? It could be. I mean, we've seen like it, like I said, we've seen a lot of stuff come out about alien technology, and Roswell was not fake. It was actually a real event, and shit happened there that people knew about and they covered it up. And you know, do we know the location of it? That's another plausible hypothesis, I guess. Do we know about it and it's just being kept from us or whatever? Sure. But like I said, until somebody puts meat on the table, we don't really have a definitive answer. You can guess, you can guess all you want. You can throw it, it starts at a dartboard for me. I mean, that's the best way that I can possibly describe it is that you're literally just tossing darts at a dartboard at this point. Until somebody comes about with fout about with factual information, documented information of where this shit was and how it actually was, and we sort of have that with Plato's stuff, but I'm talking about scientifically. Because nobody is going to take like at this point, it's a myth. It's just something on paper. We have no definitive evidence that this place actually exists or where it was. We have stories. But we have that with religion too.

SPEAKER_01 56:49

We have that with a lot of things. It's all about what you put stock in and what you believe.

SPEAKER_00 56:59

Each one of these ones that we've gone over tonight, the six that we've gone over, are plausible. They make sense. Where's the proof? So that I mean it's the same thing with paranormal activity, it's the same thing with you know, the cryptid episode we did with Brendan, it's it's the same with all the stuff we talk about. Like it's all about perspective, it's about what you believe in, it's about what makes sense to you, and you take it as that and nothing else.

SPEAKER_02 57:23

Alright, so here's a question for you. If somebody said you get one chance, you have to choose where we excavate, and if we find Atlantis there, you get a hundred billion dollars. Where would you buy it? I'm taking the anarchy.

SPEAKER_00 57:43

Taking the alien theory. Yeah, I'm taking well Why? I don't want to say alien. I don't want to say alien and like the big bug-eyed, like big head great out there.

SPEAKER_02 57:55

I'm not talking about that extraterrestrial and something otherworldly.

SPEAKER_00 57:59

It makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 58:00

The Anunnaki. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:01

Yeah, it makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 58:02

That type of thing.

SPEAKER_00 58:04

Okay. With as much religious experience as people have, quote, have have have had. And then that was the other thing, too, is if we're gonna get into that and sort of go off on the tangent with that, was the whole um who was the who was the uh I can't remember his name off the top of my head. He was uh he was like a philosopher slash um mythic, and he was based in Dayton, Ohio. Do you know who I'm talking about? I'm blanking on the name. Yes. They talked about his revelation about Atlantis as well. That's where the whole advanced society with all the scientific instruments and all that shit comes from.

SPEAKER_02 58:52

He's he was called the sleeping prophet. Do you know what do you know what one of his things was that he said about Egypt? He said that there were columns and a whole shaft 40 meters down underneath the Great Pyramid of Giza, and there's a sarcophagus down there and all sorts of shit. And literally they just did those lidar scans and just found those columns, just as he described them, exactly how far down he said they were.

SPEAKER_00 59:27

They find out who was in find out who was in the sarcophagus, that's what I care about. Egypt is denying it. Of course they are.

SPEAKER_02 59:35

The Egyptian government and that the fucking guy that's the head Egyptologist there, the guy that was around the. The one who said it was not a Rogan or whatever. Fucking abysmal. Yeah, any proof that you give that guy, he just, what are you talking? No, fucking yeah, he's an asshole. He edgar Casey talked about that. He also said that we are the fifth generation of human beings on this planet. We have been wiped out four other times. And they were using Edgar Casey back, I think World War I, World War II, for his telepathic abilities. That'd be a he would be we did the episode on Tesla, we should do an episode on Edgar Casey. Dad was fascinated. Dad had I got him somewhere, I think, unless I got rid of him when when we moved Dad out, but I got hundreds of recordings of his prophecies.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:33

Gotcha. That'd be interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:34

I got some books on him. I got some books on him too. Yeah, Egar Casey's phenomenal. But yeah, what did he say about Atlantis?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:41

He would he was just on the tip of it being like a like a superpower or like a uh very advanced. Not necessarily extraterrestrial, but more like like I don't want to use like a really like mockery version of like would be like the Jetsons type of scenario.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:01

Where like there was like flying cars and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:05

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:06

But essentially that's what he described it as is a very like the other really cool thing I saw too was the Walt Disney thing. Did you ever hear about that? No. So they touched on this in one of the documentaries I saw. So you know Epcot at Walt Disney World? The the Walt Disney thing is interesting because Epcot essentially was like his version of Atlantis. It had like the three concentric rings around it. It was supposed to be like a place where people were able to, you know, civilize and live their lives and go to work and all that kind of stuff. So essentially, Epcot was built as a theme park attraction at Walt Disney World, but essentially what a lot of people think Walt Disney was trying to do was come up with his own form of Atlantis. Because it had the same geocentric rings, it had all of that stuff. It had like the technology and roads and byways and waterways and all that kind of stuff. Had it would have been its own. It would have been its own civilization, essentially. It would have had all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:11

Yeah, I heard that it was actually not supposed to be an amusement park. It was supposed to be its own.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:17

It was supposed to be like a commune, like its own community, and that kind of like a test community.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:21

Yeah. Exactly. So I think that one was really cool too. That I heard that one mentioned. I was like, makes me sort of think about Walt Disney a little differently.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:30

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:32

But the uh the last couple of points we'll get into before we wrap up is gonna be like the the the global uh the global cast global catastrophic flood hypothesis that you were talking about before and how it's happened. You probably know a little bit more about this than I do over like different types of civilizations and different locations. So like India, for example, Native American tribes have sort of like talked about massive flood catastrophics and catastrophic floods and things like that. So you were talking about before that, you know, across religions there's been a common theme of some sort of massive flood or massive cataclysmic event that's sort of reset things.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:15

Yeah, and it it all comes back to that same time period, eleven thousand six hundred, nine hundred years ago. It's very interesting that it's not only the same type of event, but at the same exact time, which we now have by studying water levels and and stuff like that. We have historical data that proves that there was a huge drastic change in water level. There was a big flood, catastrophic event at that exact time. It's interesting. Um, you talk about trying to pinpoint things. That's a pretty good pinpoint if you got different religions and countries in their historical records talking about this one instant down to the same time period. But that also fits when this ancient civilization got lost, you know. Oh, it's a pretty good pinpoint.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:20

Uh do you think that like if the technology we have now, like the lidar and the ocean floor mapping and the undersea drones and scanning and all that kind of stuff that we've talked about before, do you think that's the right way to go about it, or should we looking for something more tangible? Like the LIDAR is only gonna tell us that something's down there. Do you think we need to invest more in excavation and that kind of thing in order to actually get a definitive answer?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:46

Absolutely. We don't do enough excavation. And the reason we don't do enough excavation with safe and like sanctioned and all that kind of stuff, like you don't want to do it illegally, obviously, and just go start digging something up, but No, but these these or these these countries need to say, yes, you can in a controlled excavation. You know, any of these geologists and people that go in and do these excavations, you know, there's so many rules and they do things meticulously. If you get the right organization to come in and do it, that they're not going to destroy a bunch of stuff. I think you have to. They have done like zero excavations in the Sahara Desert. We it's like the least amount of unknown land that we know about, and yet it was underwater, we know it was filled with forests and all sorts of stuff. I'll bet you there are so many civilizations under that that sand that you know, we have no clue even exists right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:52

Look at the Amazon. Yeah, how many cities they found just using LINAR with that.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:00

Yeah, that's it's like it comes down to a couple different like a couple different scenarios of what it could be, and it's actually like two big ones is like it was what I was sort of alluding to earlier would be like the the alien colony and like the ancient astronaut theories that go into it, like they just picked up and left, and like that's why there's no trace, and they basically just folded up the tent and went home, that kind of thing. Or the fact that we also talked about him as like a pre-human civilization where we were talking about how like you know, Poseidon ended up, you know, in in in impregnating a uh a mortal female and they had kids, and that's sort of how the lineage started and all that kind of stuff. But then you get into the conversation of like demigods and half-breeds and that kind of thing. It like I said, again, it comes down to faith. That seems more of like a faithful interpretation, whereas the alien colony might be a little bit more logical. The the pre-human civilization feels a little mythic to me. But at the same time, if we're talking about genetically engineered or hybrid species or like hybrid humans or like demigods, you could point that to alien colonies as well. Maybe they just plopped, you know what I mean? Like I was about to say, like that could be extraterrestrial. Yeah, it could go hand in hand, it's depending on how you look at it. And then you have all like we were talking about before, we have the you know, cover-ups and all that kind of stuff with government and them not being able to excavate in certain issues or certain certain regions because of whatever reason, whether it's a military problem or you know, because a lot if a lot of people don't know, the Rock of Gibraltar was a very strategic piece of warfare topography. Like it was sort of like an impenetrable type of thing because you could only get to the Rock of Gibraltar by sea, you couldn't do it by land, you couldn't do it by air, but at that point back in those days, aircraft wasn't as strategic and and technologically vast as it is today. So getting to it by s getting to it by sea was pretty much your only option at that point.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:04

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:06

But it's interesting. It like I said, it sort of depends on where you put your faith, where you put your reasoning, where you put your logic. It could be either one, and they sort of go hand in hand in in a couple of couple of scenarios. They kind of say the same thing just in a different way. The we talked about the LiDAR and all that kind of stuff, the ocean floor mapping and the undersea drones and all that stuff. Do you think in our lifetime or the lifetime of let's say the rest of humanity we're ever going to find in Atlantis, do you think we'll ever have definitive proof? Do you think it's ever gonna be an actual like here it is, this is what happened, this is the people, that kind of stuff. You don't think so?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:42

No, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:44

I think if we don't, I I'm sort of with you, if we don't have a definitive answer in the last four to five hundred years we've been looking for this thing and actually like doing things to sort of narrow it down, I would be hard-pressed that it's probably if if we haven't found it by now, I don't think we're ever gonna find it, and maybe that's the point we're not supposed to. Maybe it's not here anymore.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:05

I think if we don't find it in the next hundred years, then we definitely won't find it.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:10

Yeah. I just don't see it. I don't see people putting thousands upon millions upon trillions of dollars into a project like this to find something that may not even be there.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:21

I could see somebody putting a couple million in that's just like, God fuck you money.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:27

Like an email but think about how much money has been spent already. You know what I mean? And we still don't have a plausible deni we do we don't have plausible deniability towards anything right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:38

It's doing ex they're doing excavations. The problem is is where you really want to look, they're not allowed to.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:45

So it's like Does that but does that ever get lenient enough to where we you know what I mean? Like do we ever get lenient enough and say, fuck it, why not?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:56

I think you need a government leader that's got some balls to say, yeah, go ahead. And you need like an Elon Musk or you know, Jeff Bezos to go, you know, here's five hundred million, or here's a billion. Go find it.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:14

Yeah, I mean I wonder I just wonder when you call it quits, I guess is my point.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:18

Oh, they never will. They'll never call it quits because it's you know why is Elon Musk going to Mars?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:25

Well, it's like the other side of the coin is like, what if you're looking for something that's not meant to be found and you're just n it's just not it doesn't exist anymore. It's not here.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:33

Yeah. I mean you could.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:35

That's the other thing is that like are we looking for something that we're not even like it's not even let's just call it what it is, it's not even worth it.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:44

Like literally, it's not worth it. You're not gonna find anything, it's not here.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:47

Yeah. But you know, people also said that about these civilizations and the Amazon and India for hundreds of years, and then all of a sudden they get found. So, you know, like two dun common. You know, that guy literally was on his last like three days of that excavation that he had been doing for like 25, 30 years, and his investors said, This is it, this is your last one. And he literally, with like, I think it was three days to a week left in the excavation, just happened the the kid found the stairs to that tomb.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:27

He had been doing it for thirty or forty fucking years. Yeah. You know, I think that, you know you never you never know unless you try.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:38

Yeah. I think they should try. That's my big thing. I think they should at least let them try. Because to say that there's nothing there from looking at a satellite image from a space station instead of getting hands on the ground and actually fucking excavating that thing for a couple years. And here's here's my big thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:04

Why are you so like there's nothing there? It's the fucking Sahara.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:13

It's not like you have some endangered species there or s like it's fucking sand and rock. So why not let them go ahead and dig the fucking thing up?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:26

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:28

So like I said, it's it's there has to be a point of like I would have to believe there's gonna be a point where somebody's just gonna be like, it it's not worth our time. But maybe that'll never come, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:40

They'll take a break. They'll take a break for 10, 20, 50, 100 years, and then guess what? Somebody's gonna open a book or watch a documentary and go, hey, you remember this myth? We got new technology that they didn't have back then, we should fucking look into this, and we'll just start up again.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:59

So why do you think, I guess to close out the rest of the show, what do you think about pop culture and that kind of stuff? That sort of because we talked about, like, you know, I grew up thinking they were water people and mermaids and stuff like that in that type of scenario, and then got to learn more about it and sort of changed my perspective. How do you think that like you have movies like, you know, you you have movies like Waterworld with Kevin Coster, I be a B movie, in my personal opinion. Don't really like the movie, never really have. I don't think I've but movies like that that sort of shape that narrative or a narrative that you're familiar with that sort of changes your perspective. Where do you stand on that one?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:37

Yeah, I mean, I mean, you look at the when we were kids, the Disney movie Atlantis, right? And they had the vehicles that flew, and they did kind of like an ex like what you were talking about, like a thousand leagues under the sea, and then another thousand leagues under rock and earth to get there, you know. I guess my vision of Atlantis kind of resembles what that movie looked like. Pulp culture plays a significant role into it. What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:06

I mean, I've always I I was sort of sort of under the same belt as you, is that it was like a water society and that kind of thing. Where the water plays into it, I don't know whether I I don't know. I'm kind of in between it being like an underwater society as well as like having like the hydraulic type of vehicles like you're talking about. If we're talking about a utopian society, a perfect society where nothing goes wrong and they have everything available to them. The the either Edgar Casey idea or the alien the alien intervention type scenario works for me, those two.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:43

Okay. Both both good theories.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:47

Yeah, I mean, they're both plausible and they make sense from a water perspective. Water water, I think we can both agree, water is still used today in a lot. I mean, we have plants that run on water. We you know what I mean? We have it it's still a very hydraulics and that kind of stuff are still very viable in today's realm of energy and that kind of thing. It's actually a very clean way to do energy for the most part.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:15

Yeah, I mean you got boats that are now self-powered with water.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:18

Right. And they're yeah, exactly. My point. So you're replacing gasoline and fossil fuels and all that kind of thing with a renewable resource. So I mean, you're killing two birds with one stone. Not only are you getting the manufacturing and the stuff like that out of the way, but you're also preserving the planet at the same time. So that's sort of where that one works in for me. So I think we sort of went over like sort of our personal theories on like what that kind of like like what we would sort of attribute what Atlantis would look like, smell like, feel like, all that kind of stuff. But I think like anything else, it comes down to your perspective and what you believe and what you put stock in. Like I I can have one opinion, you can have one opinion, they can both make sense. One of us is probably at least a percentage right. But like at the same time, until we have definitive evidence, sort of like we had with the whole space exploration stuff as far as Roswell and all that kind of stuff, until it comes to light. I do have an inkling that somebody knows more about this than they're letting on. I I just this is the way my brain works. But it's kind of like the stuff with the alien thing, where we're were we really ready for the information that we weren't alone. I think that there's probably Was there a was there an ethical reason not just behind covering it up, but an ethical reason that we were gonna be get some were we're gonna be getting something that we weren't necessarily ready for mentally at that point? Could be. Because like with all the technology we have now with all the stuff to be able to read space and that kind of stuff with radar and all that kind of stuff, that wasn't available back when all that stuff happened. You know, it was very new technology.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:00

Yeah. There's uh I think it's like 70 miles plus of underground vaults in the Vatican that have yeah, it's vast, it's huge.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:14

I mean it's the entire necropolis of the Vatican.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:17

The whole thing I'll bet you, I'll bet you there's some shit on Atlantis.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:23

Yeah, I mean they have all I mean, if you're talking about Greek and Roman philosophy and stuff like that, they have they have all like the original first editions of everything down there. I'm talking about you name it, you name the person, name the prominent figure and that's and that and that sect of society and civilization, they have everything you've ever heard about and then some.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:46

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:47

So interesting to they have like all the stuff from like Plato and Aristotle and Socrates, and then you it's it's a who's who of documents that would just literally blow your mind. That's like you're I'm actually holding this thing, and this was in his hands, like he was writing in this. Yeah. It goes back to the same type of thing I was talking about with my trip to Israel, dude. Like it was You're standing where something happened that you've only read about in a book, and you're literally staring at it. You're two feet from it. Yeah, I'm I'm sure. It's it's prolific and it's it's sort of cathartic at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:30

It doesn't seem real.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:32

Yeah. The other one that I'm sure has some shit on a lot of the stuff we probably talk about here is the Smithsonian.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:40

Yeah. Which is the one that's not a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:46

And I just found this out. I never knew this. Did you know that the Smithsonian is a government organization?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:54

Yeah, it's a private entity in the government, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:56

Well, it's government, it's not private, it's government.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:59

No, but what I'm saying is it's a it's a like it's a government-owned. Yes, correct.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:05

Yeah. I never knew that. Yep. I thought it was private. Did not know it was government-owned. It makes a lot of sense now for all the shit they confiscate.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:15

Yep, correct.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:17

But uh with all that said, I mean like I said, I think I think it comes down to perspective, what you put stock in and what you believe. Uh do I think it was a real society? Do I think it was a real place? Yeah. Do I know the ins and outs and the ins and intricacies of how it was designed and you know, how it prospered and that kind of thing? No. Does anybody have an idea of what that is? Sure, but it's not definitive. I need to see the proof. Because that, like I said, we're just throwing darts at a dartboard. So I don't know if you have any final thoughts before we we close up, but that's sort of where I stand on the whole Atlantis thing is do I believe it was real? Do I believe it was an actual civilization? Those two points, I'm d I definitively believe that they w they were around for some time.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:04

Yeah, I agree with you. I I guess I'll close out on yeah, I um go with the same thing that you just said. I definitely think that it was real and it existed. Um and something catastrophic happened. Um that either made them leave or they got wiped out. Uh wanted to also let people know um it's November sixteenth today. On November twenty-first, this no upcoming Friday, there is a brand new huge disclosure documentary coming out with over thirty-six government workers and congressmen and congresswomen and high up people in government that are revealing disclosure on ancient alien technology and all sorts of stuff. It's literally called disclosure. So that will be a really good one to watch on Friday next week. What's it on? Uh, that is a great question. I wanna say I wanna say it's getting released on YouTube.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:10

Oh, that'll be interesting platform.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:11

It might be on Netflix too, though. It might be. It's it yeah, it might be. I'll look it up real quick.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:22

Yeah, just look it up real quick. But anyways, I mean, I know that a lot of these episodes are very far-fetched, they're very out there, but I think we do a good job of keeping it sort of on a tight a tight leash. We don't go too far off left or right, but we sort of keep it, you know, sort of kitty corner to the left or the right. We try to keep them digestible for you guys too. So if you guys have any feedback about they need to be longer, they need to be shorter, what we need to talk about, that kind of stuff, make sure you go and follow the socials. Like I said, it's just obscure cast, just the name of the podcast at Instagram and X. Um, like I said, also at the beginning, we're gonna be throwing up clips um from different shows. We started, I believe, with the AI episode is where we had our first clip. Um, and we're sort of doing them as the episodes go on. So if we happen to be able to draw clips or anything like that from previous episodes, we will. But all of the full episodes, once they're edited and everything, are thrown on Spotify and Apple Music. So if you want to listen to the full show, obviously follow the Spotify. We're gonna try to do them every week from here on out. If we do miss a couple, we apologize, life happens, that kind of thing. So with the holidays coming up, it might be a little with the holidays, it might be a little dicey, so you might guys might have to bear with us for a couple of weeks until we get out of the holiday season. But we're gonna try to keep them as close to a week at a time as possible. Like I said, obscure cast at Instagram and X, and then make sure you guys follow on Spotify to make sure you get all the full episodes. Dan, did you find the location of the documentary?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:58

So it's called The Age of Disclosure and is gonna be on Prime Video.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:02

Okay. Do you is it uh is it prime subscription or is it you have to pay for it? You gotta run it or purchase it. So you can rent it or buy it. Okay. So if you guys want to check that out, that's about the what'd you say that was alien technology?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:15

So it is um hold on one second. It's featuring testimony from uh 34 U.S. government, military, and intelligence community insiders.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:31

It exposes an 80 year cover-up. That's that's hilarious. It comes out on your birthday. Mm-hmm. It comes out on my birthday.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:37

That's interesting. That's funny. But yeah, that's also another fun little fact. Dan's birthday is next week, so. Yes, it is. We should we should watch that. Yeah, we can watch it for sure. But uh, I hope you guys enjoyed the episode. Like I said, make sure to follow us on ObscureCast on Instagram and X, and then Apple Music and Spotify are gonna be where the full episodes are. Uh, thanks for listening, guys. We will see you guys in the next episode. Take care.